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I understand how words and meanings can change over generations and how some words fall out of favor. Here in Texas we have not had good luck with groups descri

I understand how words and meanings can change over generations and how some words fall out of favor. Here in Texas we have not had good luck with groups described as cults over the last few decades and if you grew up here in a fundamentalist Christian family watching TV preachers every Sunday and a large part of the week then you would not have a favorable opinion of them and would be likely to describe them as cults.

AlotOfReading 4y ago
As an American, I understand that and even avoid using 'cult' in my own work because of the pejorative connotations. However, it's a term of art for certain disciplines and the intended meaning should be understood.
- doodlebugging 4y ago
  I understand the origin of the word but in common usage it has different connotations. You are apparently familiar with archaeology since you have commented several times on this thread and it is possible from some posts to infer that you may be familiar with operations in this region. If that is accurate how do you interpret these rock structures? I have included one that I found [0] out near Khaybar on Google Earth. I studied it for quite a while and decided that though it is probably multiple overlapping structures that may not be related, it could be interpreted as I have in my own analysis. What are your thoughts on this? I am wrong I know but this jumped out at me from this complex arrangement. [0]https://imgur.com/a/JzWydAJ https://imgur.com/a/JzWydAJ
  - AlotOfReading 4y ago
    I'm not really familiar with Arabian archaeology (never been my area), but my initial guess on only the image is that it looks like a hunting funnel/pen (often called 'kites'). I have absolutely no idea whether that's accurate and someone who's actually done groundwork there would have a better idea. Also worth noting that kites are a separate phenomenon from the mustatil the article is about.
    - doodlebugging 4y ago
      I am familiar with kites though it was more in the context of fish traps. I had seen some ancient examples in other places out on the west coast of the US and had read of their use by Native Americans in rivers and bays to catch fish sustainably. While rafting out in the western US a few years back I built one on the river from memory using driftwood poles, rocks carefully positioned, etc to funnel fish into the shallow water. I didn't catch anything but, like fishing with any form of fishing pole, that really wasn't the point. I'm not an archaeologist though I have followed discoveries for years and it all interests me. I love history. I do get annoyed when something new is discovered and the same narratives are applied to make it appear that the people were somehow less sophisticated than ourselves. They made do with the things at hand and had a better grasp of local resources and how to use them sustainably than we will. Or maybe they didn't and we keep repeating the same mistakes they made to the point where it is a genetic defect among humans by now. Thanks for adding to the discussion.
      - hasanas 4y ago
        Fishing traps are actually considered cultural and historical items in the region. I am from Kuwait and this is the first time I read about desert kites. I am now interested to find out if they have history here. If you are interested, fishing traps are called gargoor (قرقور)[0][1]. [0] https://www.kuwaittimes.com/gargoor-fishing-trap-past/ https://www.kuwaittimes.com/gargoor-fishing-trap-past/ [1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324702737_Gargoor_trap_fishery_in_Kuwait_catch_rate_and_species_composition https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324702737_Gargoor_t...
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AlotOfReading 4y ago

As an American, I understand that and even avoid using 'cult' in my own work because of the pejorative connotations. However, it's a term of art for certain disciplines and the intended meaning should be understood.

doodlebugging 4y ago
I understand the origin of the word but in common usage it has different connotations. You are apparently familiar with archaeology since you have commented several times on this thread and it is possible from some posts to infer that you may be familiar with operations in this region. If that is accurate how do you interpret these rock structures? I have included one that I found [0] out near Khaybar on Google Earth. I studied it for quite a while and decided that though it is probably multiple overlapping structures that may not be related, it could be interpreted as I have in my own analysis. What are your thoughts on this? I am wrong I know but this jumped out at me from this complex arrangement. [0]https://imgur.com/a/JzWydAJ https://imgur.com/a/JzWydAJ
- AlotOfReading 4y ago
  I'm not really familiar with Arabian archaeology (never been my area), but my initial guess on only the image is that it looks like a hunting funnel/pen (often called 'kites'). I have absolutely no idea whether that's accurate and someone who's actually done groundwork there would have a better idea. Also worth noting that kites are a separate phenomenon from the mustatil the article is about.
  - doodlebugging 4y ago
    I am familiar with kites though it was more in the context of fish traps. I had seen some ancient examples in other places out on the west coast of the US and had read of their use by Native Americans in rivers and bays to catch fish sustainably. While rafting out in the western US a few years back I built one on the river from memory using driftwood poles, rocks carefully positioned, etc to funnel fish into the shallow water. I didn't catch anything but, like fishing with any form of fishing pole, that really wasn't the point. I'm not an archaeologist though I have followed discoveries for years and it all interests me. I love history. I do get annoyed when something new is discovered and the same narratives are applied to make it appear that the people were somehow less sophisticated than ourselves. They made do with the things at hand and had a better grasp of local resources and how to use them sustainably than we will. Or maybe they didn't and we keep repeating the same mistakes they made to the point where it is a genetic defect among humans by now. Thanks for adding to the discussion.
    - hasanas 4y ago
      Fishing traps are actually considered cultural and historical items in the region. I am from Kuwait and this is the first time I read about desert kites. I am now interested to find out if they have history here. If you are interested, fishing traps are called gargoor (قرقور)[0][1]. [0] https://www.kuwaittimes.com/gargoor-fishing-trap-past/ https://www.kuwaittimes.com/gargoor-fishing-trap-past/ [1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324702737_Gargoor_trap_fishery_in_Kuwait_catch_rate_and_species_composition https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324702737_Gargoor_t...
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