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> Maybe I’ve gotten cynical, but I was worried that there would be limited retrospection about positions taken during the pandemic given the political sensitivi

> Maybe I’ve gotten cynical, but I was worried that there would be limited retrospection about positions taken during the pandemic given the political sensitivities. Hopefully we learn from our mistakes and are better prepared for the next pandemic.

IAmGraydon 4y ago
Monkeypox is now at 10,000 cases worldwide with a growth rate of 12% per day and we're seeing the same lagged response as we did with Covid. We've learned nothing.
- gruez 4y ago
  >Monkeypox is now at 10,000 cases worldwide with a growth rate of 12% per day Unless there's some additional context to this the figure of "12% per day" doesn't tell me much. Is this better or worse than covid? How does it compare to other endemic infections like the flu? Without knowing how bad the spread rate is, it's hard to know whether "the same lagged response" is justified or not.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  It is almost entirely in populations of men who have sex with many male partners in western countries. It is much easier to reduce number of partners and be monogamous for a while (basically removes risk of monkeypox) than lock down everything (needed to remove most risk of covid).
  - amluto 4y ago
    Is it? I can’t find much real data, and, at least in the US, monkeypox surveillance appears to be at least as poor as COVID surveillance early in the pandemic.
    - collegeburner 4y ago
      The french health authority is suggesting they should be vaxxed along with sex workers and some trans people: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/monkeypox-french-health-authority-recommends-vaccination-people-exposed-virus-2022-07-08/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... They based the decision on data showing that almost all cases involve that demographic.
      - amluto 4y ago
        Is there near term availability of enough doses of a nice vaccine (e.g. MVA-BN/Imvanex/Jynneos) to vaccinate the entire MSM population? The US has a large stockpile of ACAM2000, but it is unpleasant, potentially dangerous, and has at least a mild FDA warning for use in patients with HIV.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > It is almost entirely in populations of men who have sex with many male partners in western countries That's in part because health authorities are using being in that demographic as a major factor (and in some cases, a mandatory criteria, even if a very clear symptom pattern is present) for getting tested. They've literally made a decision to avoid/minimize seeing it outside of that demographic.
- indymike 4y ago
  > We've learned nothing. I'm not sure. The vaccine situation is much better than COVID. It's still really scary, and I hope we can get it under control soon.
barry-cotter 4y ago
That was a good laugh. Thanks.
me_me_me 4y ago
> Hopefully we learn from our mistakes and are better prepared for the next pandemic. Hehe, that's a great joke to start monday with

IAmGraydon 4y ago

Monkeypox is now at 10,000 cases worldwide with a growth rate of 12% per day and we're seeing the same lagged response as we did with Covid. We've learned nothing.

gruez 4y ago
>Monkeypox is now at 10,000 cases worldwide with a growth rate of 12% per day Unless there's some additional context to this the figure of "12% per day" doesn't tell me much. Is this better or worse than covid? How does it compare to other endemic infections like the flu? Without knowing how bad the spread rate is, it's hard to know whether "the same lagged response" is justified or not.
collegeburner 4y ago
It is almost entirely in populations of men who have sex with many male partners in western countries. It is much easier to reduce number of partners and be monogamous for a while (basically removes risk of monkeypox) than lock down everything (needed to remove most risk of covid).
- amluto 4y ago
  Is it? I can’t find much real data, and, at least in the US, monkeypox surveillance appears to be at least as poor as COVID surveillance early in the pandemic.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    The french health authority is suggesting they should be vaxxed along with sex workers and some trans people: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/monkeypox-french-health-authority-recommends-vaccination-people-exposed-virus-2022-07-08/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... They based the decision on data showing that almost all cases involve that demographic.
    - amluto 4y ago
      Is there near term availability of enough doses of a nice vaccine (e.g. MVA-BN/Imvanex/Jynneos) to vaccinate the entire MSM population? The US has a large stockpile of ACAM2000, but it is unpleasant, potentially dangerous, and has at least a mild FDA warning for use in patients with HIV.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > It is almost entirely in populations of men who have sex with many male partners in western countries That's in part because health authorities are using being in that demographic as a major factor (and in some cases, a mandatory criteria, even if a very clear symptom pattern is present) for getting tested. They've literally made a decision to avoid/minimize seeing it outside of that demographic.
indymike 4y ago
> We've learned nothing. I'm not sure. The vaccine situation is much better than COVID. It's still really scary, and I hope we can get it under control soon.

barry-cotter 4y ago

That was a good laugh. Thanks.

me_me_me 4y ago

> Hopefully we learn from our mistakes and are better prepared for the next pandemic. Hehe, that's a great joke to start monday with