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Having a statement like that shows people that they are open to suggestions on improvements. Since a lot of people are not so open to suggestions, it makes sens

Having a statement like that shows people that they are open to suggestions on improvements. Since a lot of people are not so open to suggestions, it makes sense to me to include this language. They added a little X button so you can close it easily.

barry-cotter 4y ago
- TaylorAlexander 4y ago
  If someone thinks inclusive language is a sign of hostility, then I think they have misunderstood the situation. I’m happy to have open source contributions from anyone, but I do share my pronouns in posts and on videos and I can tell you that the very small number of people who have gotten upset by that were angry unhelpful people who were more interested in complaining about language than contributing to the community.
  - barry-cotter 4y ago
    - TaylorAlexander 4y ago
      It’s a space that is inclusive of queer folks. If someone can’t handle that, then yeah, they probably aren’t mature enough to safely interact with those people. Every space needs to have some rules in the event that someone gets nasty. Someone who gets upset when they encounter a non-binary person is probably going to make those people feel unwelcome. So you can either protect the vulnerable people or you can allow the bully to push other people out. But whoever is organizing that space can consciously decide, or they can let the bully decide for them. By the way, you seem to have this really charged, negative view of queer spaces. Which I respectfully want to suggest is a misunderstanding of those spaces. I mean, if you go in all angry and complaining about other people, then sure, they’re gonna (rightfully) kick you out. But that’s true of most places if you show up and act like a jerk. The truth about these places, and being queer in general, is that this is a beautiful space of happiness for so many people. Being able to express gender openly without judgment is a positive, empowering experience for so many people. All you have to do to fit in is accept that. You don’t have to like it, though that is encouraged. But if you get so upset by someone existing as their true self that you have to argue with others, you’re probably not a good fit for that space. I want to suggest you listen to the YouTube channel Beau of the Fifth Column. He’s got a lot of great takes he explains in a way I think you’d understand. And sometimes he talks about stuff like this. Anyway I’m non-binary. I’m taking hormones and expressing my gender in ways I never knew I could (wearing clothes I “wasn’t supposed” to wear). It feels great. All I really ask for is that you accept me for who I am. And I hope you see that I’m able to be kind to you even though I know you think I’m a “pronoun person”. Edit: Here’s a couple videos from Beau of the Fifth column talking about gender. He’s a white guy from the south who explains things in a non judgmental way and I think he has a good perspective, but I’ll let you decide: https://youtu.be/vQ53lVyi4so https://youtu.be/vQ53lVyi4so https://youtu.be/FaFK9uqbqrY https://youtu.be/FaFK9uqbqrY
      - kortex 4y ago
        Thanks for standing up to that unpleasantness. I know you aren't really supposed to feed into that, but it's refreshing to see pushback.
        barry-cotter 4y ago
        TaylorAlexander 4y ago
        Barry I appreciate that you recognize my good faith efforts. But I want to highlight that queer and gender nonconforming people are regularly marginalized and othered in this country and around the world. It is genuinely tiring to them to be dismissed regularly in their daily life and then to encounter people online who want to play this up as some culture war with two legitimate sides. I personally would not label you an "unbeliever". As I have said, these people just want to exist and have people like you deal with that without getting upset. Some people like me have a little extra energy to sit down and explain it, but you cannot regularly expect marginalized people who have to deal with so much day to day to then spend energy educating you on the facts of the lives of queer and gender nonconforming people. They are far, far too tired from everything else to spend that energy educating you. But I have given you a choice. A couple of videos from a respectful white southern man who I wholeheartedly endorse for his explanations. I watch his videos every day and to be honest I so far think he always has great takes. So I have given you an opportunity to learn another perspective, and I encourage you to check it out. But if you don't, and you continue to act as the victim of a culture war that does not actually harm you in any way, then I promise you you will continue to be downvoted and kicked out of any space with open minded people. I genuinely wish you the best. But I do not endorse this notion of dogma and unbelievers. This is about common decency and respect. This is about the lives of real people I respectfully think you haven't yet had the opportunity to understand. But consider checking out those video links. It would be an act of good faith to help your fellow people who just want to exist in peace.
        4y ago

barry-cotter 4y ago

TaylorAlexander 4y ago
If someone thinks inclusive language is a sign of hostility, then I think they have misunderstood the situation. I’m happy to have open source contributions from anyone, but I do share my pronouns in posts and on videos and I can tell you that the very small number of people who have gotten upset by that were angry unhelpful people who were more interested in complaining about language than contributing to the community.
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  - TaylorAlexander 4y ago
    It’s a space that is inclusive of queer folks. If someone can’t handle that, then yeah, they probably aren’t mature enough to safely interact with those people. Every space needs to have some rules in the event that someone gets nasty. Someone who gets upset when they encounter a non-binary person is probably going to make those people feel unwelcome. So you can either protect the vulnerable people or you can allow the bully to push other people out. But whoever is organizing that space can consciously decide, or they can let the bully decide for them. By the way, you seem to have this really charged, negative view of queer spaces. Which I respectfully want to suggest is a misunderstanding of those spaces. I mean, if you go in all angry and complaining about other people, then sure, they’re gonna (rightfully) kick you out. But that’s true of most places if you show up and act like a jerk. The truth about these places, and being queer in general, is that this is a beautiful space of happiness for so many people. Being able to express gender openly without judgment is a positive, empowering experience for so many people. All you have to do to fit in is accept that. You don’t have to like it, though that is encouraged. But if you get so upset by someone existing as their true self that you have to argue with others, you’re probably not a good fit for that space. I want to suggest you listen to the YouTube channel Beau of the Fifth Column. He’s got a lot of great takes he explains in a way I think you’d understand. And sometimes he talks about stuff like this. Anyway I’m non-binary. I’m taking hormones and expressing my gender in ways I never knew I could (wearing clothes I “wasn’t supposed” to wear). It feels great. All I really ask for is that you accept me for who I am. And I hope you see that I’m able to be kind to you even though I know you think I’m a “pronoun person”. Edit: Here’s a couple videos from Beau of the Fifth column talking about gender. He’s a white guy from the south who explains things in a non judgmental way and I think he has a good perspective, but I’ll let you decide: https://youtu.be/vQ53lVyi4so https://youtu.be/vQ53lVyi4so https://youtu.be/FaFK9uqbqrY https://youtu.be/FaFK9uqbqrY
    - kortex 4y ago
      Thanks for standing up to that unpleasantness. I know you aren't really supposed to feed into that, but it's refreshing to see pushback.
      - barry-cotter 4y ago
        TaylorAlexander 4y ago
        Barry I appreciate that you recognize my good faith efforts. But I want to highlight that queer and gender nonconforming people are regularly marginalized and othered in this country and around the world. It is genuinely tiring to them to be dismissed regularly in their daily life and then to encounter people online who want to play this up as some culture war with two legitimate sides. I personally would not label you an "unbeliever". As I have said, these people just want to exist and have people like you deal with that without getting upset. Some people like me have a little extra energy to sit down and explain it, but you cannot regularly expect marginalized people who have to deal with so much day to day to then spend energy educating you on the facts of the lives of queer and gender nonconforming people. They are far, far too tired from everything else to spend that energy educating you. But I have given you a choice. A couple of videos from a respectful white southern man who I wholeheartedly endorse for his explanations. I watch his videos every day and to be honest I so far think he always has great takes. So I have given you an opportunity to learn another perspective, and I encourage you to check it out. But if you don't, and you continue to act as the victim of a culture war that does not actually harm you in any way, then I promise you you will continue to be downvoted and kicked out of any space with open minded people. I genuinely wish you the best. But I do not endorse this notion of dogma and unbelievers. This is about common decency and respect. This is about the lives of real people I respectfully think you haven't yet had the opportunity to understand. But consider checking out those video links. It would be an act of good faith to help your fellow people who just want to exist in peace.
        4y ago