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This is not a proxy war. Russia is involved directly on its border. A proxy war is in a far off land.
by _xnmw 4y ago
This is not a proxy war. Russia is involved directly on its border. A proxy war is in a far off land.
- dreig 4y agoAfghanistan was on the border of USSR. Why was that a proxy war and this one isn't?
- _xnmw 4y agoUSSR is not Russia. Afghanistan was a not a "core interest" or existential threat to any of the USSR nations. If we use the Afghanistan analogy, Ukraine is on the border of NATO too. Interestingly, then NATO would be the overextended multinational entity trying to expand even further in this scenario. If we expect an "Afghanistan" scenario to repeat itself, then logically one would expect NATO to collapse.
- dreig 4y agoI was not saying that USSR is Russia. In earlier comment you said: "Vietnam and Afghanistan .... Those were pure proxy wars. This is not a proxy war, it is a direct hot war." And here you wrote: "This is not a proxy war. Russia is involved directly on its border. A proxy war is in a far off land." And I was saying that Afghanistan was not a far off land, it was on the border, so your two usages of "proxy war" weren't consistent. Sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph, I was not trying to draw an analogy with USSR and Afghanistan. As I understand, your argument is instead that: "Afghanistan was not important to USSR, so USSR did not consider using nuclear weapons then", while "Ukraine is a core interest of Russia, so it will rather start a nuclear war (and risk destruction of the world) rather than back down and return to the positions before Feb 24th." I don't know if this statement is as obviously correct as it may seem to you. Certainly many believe that Russia is not willing to self-destruct to stand the ground here.
- yucky 4y agoIt is a proxy war for the US. After all, Russia is not at war with Ukraine, it is at war in Ukraine, against NATO.
- ptr 4y agoThis is wrong, which even Putin has confessed. It’s all about Putin wanting to create a new Great Russia.
- yucky 4y agoThat doesn't contradict what I said though. Yes Putin wants to expand the Russian sphere of influence, and yes NATO is fighting against that in a proxy war led by the US, in Ukraine. This isn't just Ukraine v Russia, hence the proxy war label is correct.
- tim333 4y agoI think most Ukrainians would disagee.
- archagon 4y agoRussia is certainly at war with Ukraine.
- yucky 4y agoUS/NATO isn't involved in this war? It's just Russia vs Ukraine?
- justsomehnguy 4y agoIn those debates I just asking what my debatee knows about Ukrainian reconnaissance satellites.