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Why do you assume you know better than experts?

by kingofpandora 4y ago

rasz 4y ago
Because those particular experts were on Russian payroll.
- kingofpandora 4y ago
  Source please.
  - rasz 4y ago
    https://www.dw.com/en/study-confirms-that-stasi-infiltrated-greens/a-36024911 https://www.dw.com/en/study-confirms-that-stasi-infiltrated-...
    - kingofpandora 4y ago
      That article is about the Stasi infiltrating the German Green Party. > Indeed, far from being an indictment of Stasi infiltration of the Greens, Gieseke and Bahr's study is a portrait of a largely failed attempt by the Communist German Democratic Republic (GDR) to co-opt the nascent left-wing party on the other side of the Iron Curtain. How did a few Stasi cooperators the 1980s Green Party translate into experts recommending Germany's nuclear power plants be shut down in the late 2010s?
      - rasz 4y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-secretly-working-with-environmentalists-to-oppose-fracking https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-s... https://legacy-assets.eenews.net/open_files/assets/2017/07/07/document_pm_02.pdf https://legacy-assets.eenews.net/open_files/assets/2017/07/0... https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-funding-environmental-groups-europe-united-state https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-funding-environmental-g... https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredit-natural-gas-fracking-635052 https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredi... https://www.transparency.org/en/press/germany-state-government-conceals-gazprom-connection-controversial-environmental-foundation-beneficial-ownership https://www.transparency.org/en/press/germany-state-governme... https://www.eenews.net/articles/devin-nunes-claims-russia-is-financing-environmentalism/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/devin-nunes-claims-russia-is... in comparison how Russia deals with this internally https://www.nirs.org/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-nuclear-movement/ https://www.nirs.org/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-nuclear-move...
        jacquesm 4y ago
        Are you seriously using an article quoting Devin Nunes as an authorative source?
        rasz 4y ago
        and foxnews :) if those would be the only sources it would be garbage, but there are 6 seemingly independent ones stating same thing.
        jacquesm 4y ago
        You really should improve the quality of your sources before you start presenting things as fact. "Seemingly" doesn't really do it for me, especially not when there is a concerted, well financed effort to pull the wool over your eyes.
        kingofpandora 4y ago
        OK that's a lot of reading (HN equivalent of a Gish Gallop?), but only one seems to be about Germany and it doesn't mention experts advising on the closure of nuclear plants, so I'm just going to assume there is indeed no source for your claims that any of them were on Russian payroll.

Why do you assume you know better than experts?

rasz 4y ago

Because those particular experts were on Russian payroll.

kingofpandora 4y ago
Source please.
- rasz 4y ago
  https://www.dw.com/en/study-confirms-that-stasi-infiltrated-greens/a-36024911 https://www.dw.com/en/study-confirms-that-stasi-infiltrated-...
  - kingofpandora 4y ago
    That article is about the Stasi infiltrating the German Green Party. > Indeed, far from being an indictment of Stasi infiltration of the Greens, Gieseke and Bahr's study is a portrait of a largely failed attempt by the Communist German Democratic Republic (GDR) to co-opt the nascent left-wing party on the other side of the Iron Curtain. How did a few Stasi cooperators the 1980s Green Party translate into experts recommending Germany's nuclear power plants be shut down in the late 2010s?
    - rasz 4y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-secretly-working-with-environmentalists-to-oppose-fracking https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-s... https://legacy-assets.eenews.net/open_files/assets/2017/07/07/document_pm_02.pdf https://legacy-assets.eenews.net/open_files/assets/2017/07/0... https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-funding-environmental-groups-europe-united-state https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-funding-environmental-g... https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredit-natural-gas-fracking-635052 https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredi... https://www.transparency.org/en/press/germany-state-government-conceals-gazprom-connection-controversial-environmental-foundation-beneficial-ownership https://www.transparency.org/en/press/germany-state-governme... https://www.eenews.net/articles/devin-nunes-claims-russia-is-financing-environmentalism/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/devin-nunes-claims-russia-is... in comparison how Russia deals with this internally https://www.nirs.org/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-nuclear-movement/ https://www.nirs.org/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-nuclear-move...
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        Are you seriously using an article quoting Devin Nunes as an authorative source?
        rasz 4y ago
        and foxnews :) if those would be the only sources it would be garbage, but there are 6 seemingly independent ones stating same thing.
        jacquesm 4y ago
        You really should improve the quality of your sources before you start presenting things as fact. "Seemingly" doesn't really do it for me, especially not when there is a concerted, well financed effort to pull the wool over your eyes.
      - kingofpandora 4y ago
        OK that's a lot of reading (HN equivalent of a Gish Gallop?), but only one seems to be about Germany and it doesn't mention experts advising on the closure of nuclear plants, so I'm just going to assume there is indeed no source for your claims that any of them were on Russian payroll.