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Germany's GDP is 4 trillion dollars, its government budget is over 400 billion. Refurbing 3 nuke plants is nothing with those resources. The entire manhattan

Germany's GDP is 4 trillion dollars, its government budget is over 400 billion. Refurbing 3 nuke plants is nothing with those resources. The entire manhattan project that pioneered nuclear power only cost about 50 billion in today's money, but they aren't even starting from scratch like that. If they wanted it to happen I can't see any financial or technical blocker.

_ph_ 4y ago
Sure, but why bother? These 3 plants would only add a tiny bit to the German electricty production. They really won't be missed. And they cannot be used to replace gas, as gas power plants are used for quick responses, not base load.
kingofpandora 4y ago
Why do you assume you know better than experts?
- rasz 4y ago
  Because those particular experts were on Russian payroll.
  - kingofpandora 4y ago
    Source please.
    - rasz 4y ago
      https://www.dw.com/en/study-confirms-that-stasi-infiltrated-greens/a-36024911 https://www.dw.com/en/study-confirms-that-stasi-infiltrated-...
      - kingofpandora 4y ago
        That article is about the Stasi infiltrating the German Green Party. > Indeed, far from being an indictment of Stasi infiltration of the Greens, Gieseke and Bahr's study is a portrait of a largely failed attempt by the Communist German Democratic Republic (GDR) to co-opt the nascent left-wing party on the other side of the Iron Curtain. How did a few Stasi cooperators the 1980s Green Party translate into experts recommending Germany's nuclear power plants be shut down in the late 2010s?
        rasz 4y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-secretly-working-with-environmentalists-to-oppose-fracking https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-s... https://legacy-assets.eenews.net/open_files/assets/2017/07/07/document_pm_02.pdf https://legacy-assets.eenews.net/open_files/assets/2017/07/0... https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-funding-environmental-groups-europe-united-state https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-funding-environmental-g... https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredit-natural-gas-fracking-635052 https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredi... https://www.transparency.org/en/press/germany-state-government-conceals-gazprom-connection-controversial-environmental-foundation-beneficial-ownership https://www.transparency.org/en/press/germany-state-governme... https://www.eenews.net/articles/devin-nunes-claims-russia-is-financing-environmentalism/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/devin-nunes-claims-russia-is... in comparison how Russia deals with this internally https://www.nirs.org/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-nuclear-movement/ https://www.nirs.org/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-nuclear-move...
        jacquesm 4y ago
        Are you seriously using an article quoting Devin Nunes as an authorative source?
        rasz 4y ago
        and foxnews :) if those would be the only sources it would be garbage, but there are 6 seemingly independent ones stating same thing.
hnaccount_rng 4y ago
But it isn't a problem of money. Sure we could pay for it. But that doesn't make things with a 1.5year lead-time appear in 3 weeks. You can buy _more_ but you can't buy _faster_. So sure, in a year or two we can get these reactors back online. In 10 or 15 years we can even get new ones. But these time scales don't help in the next winter and on those time scales we can come up with solutions that are even better and not at risk at making eating shrooms you find in the forest killing you..

_ph_ 4y ago

Sure, but why bother? These 3 plants would only add a tiny bit to the German electricty production. They really won't be missed. And they cannot be used to replace gas, as gas power plants are used for quick responses, not base load.

kingofpandora 4y ago

Why do you assume you know better than experts?

rasz 4y ago
Because those particular experts were on Russian payroll.
- kingofpandora 4y ago
  Source please.
  - rasz 4y ago
    https://www.dw.com/en/study-confirms-that-stasi-infiltrated-greens/a-36024911 https://www.dw.com/en/study-confirms-that-stasi-infiltrated-...
    - kingofpandora 4y ago
      That article is about the Stasi infiltrating the German Green Party. > Indeed, far from being an indictment of Stasi infiltration of the Greens, Gieseke and Bahr's study is a portrait of a largely failed attempt by the Communist German Democratic Republic (GDR) to co-opt the nascent left-wing party on the other side of the Iron Curtain. How did a few Stasi cooperators the 1980s Green Party translate into experts recommending Germany's nuclear power plants be shut down in the late 2010s?
      - rasz 4y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-secretly-working-with-environmentalists-to-oppose-fracking https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-s... https://legacy-assets.eenews.net/open_files/assets/2017/07/07/document_pm_02.pdf https://legacy-assets.eenews.net/open_files/assets/2017/07/0... https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-funding-environmental-groups-europe-united-state https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-funding-environmental-g... https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredit-natural-gas-fracking-635052 https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredi... https://www.transparency.org/en/press/germany-state-government-conceals-gazprom-connection-controversial-environmental-foundation-beneficial-ownership https://www.transparency.org/en/press/germany-state-governme... https://www.eenews.net/articles/devin-nunes-claims-russia-is-financing-environmentalism/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/devin-nunes-claims-russia-is... in comparison how Russia deals with this internally https://www.nirs.org/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-nuclear-movement/ https://www.nirs.org/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-nuclear-move...
        jacquesm 4y ago
        Are you seriously using an article quoting Devin Nunes as an authorative source?
        rasz 4y ago
        and foxnews :) if those would be the only sources it would be garbage, but there are 6 seemingly independent ones stating same thing.

hnaccount_rng 4y ago

But it isn't a problem of money. Sure we could pay for it. But that doesn't make things with a 1.5year lead-time appear in 3 weeks. You can buy _more_ but you can't buy _faster_. So sure, in a year or two we can get these reactors back online. In 10 or 15 years we can even get new ones. But these time scales don't help in the next winter and on those time scales we can come up with solutions that are even better and not at risk at making eating shrooms you find in the forest killing you..