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How fast did the rest of Europe cut ties with Nazi Germany after World War II started? Current level of feeding Russia's war machine looks bizarre.
by shmerl 4y ago
How fast did the rest of Europe cut ties with Nazi Germany after World War II started? Current level of feeding Russia's war machine looks bizarre.
- MomoXenosaga 4y agoMost of Europe got overrun. Bizarrely enough in my own country the German occupation made the economy boom- as we were Arians the Nazis didn't steal anything until D-day. It became obvious the Reichsmark would be pretty useless after Germany lost so the whole house of cards collapsed.
- aaaaaaaaaaab 4y agoWhich half? The nazi-occupied half, or the nazi-allied half?
- shmerl 4y agoObviously anti-Nazi allied part.
- aaaaaaaaaaab 4y agoSo... the UK?
- severino 4y agoDidn't know WWIII already started. If you meant stopping doing businesses with a country that invades another, I'm sorry to tell you that there are not enough "non-invading" countries that can sell all the resources that we in the EU need now.
- shmerl 4y agoExactly my point. Trying to whitewash this with "need to do business" isn't helping your arguments. Some tried to use same ones for doing business with Nazis during WWII. They very much don't like when anyone reminds about it today. Same will be for anyone who is doing business with Putin's fascists today.
- cersa8 4y agoI find it deeply concerning we are still very much in bed with Putin. We should have taken drastic steps early and maybe be half way in tapping alternative sources. The fact Germany is happily closing nuclear power plants shows Europe is in for a rude awakening when Putin tightens the vice.
- severino 4y agoAnd who do we buy oil/gas from? Venezuela? Iran? Saudi Arabia? United States? I don't see a reason why those countries are better than Russia.
- chasd00 4y agoUnfortunately it doesn’t even matter. The infrastructure simply doesn’t exist and takes many months to build. Germany could choose to buy from anywhere but it doesn’t matter, there’s no way to get the gas to where it’s needed in time for winter.
- heavenlyblue 4y agoWell unfortunately Germany doesn’t have a leader strong enough to announce a military regime and ration the heating in the country.
- marvinvz 4y agoBecause none of those plan on taking over europe. Russia still has the goal to directly control all slavic countries and indirectly control the rest of Europe. Most europeans remember the USSR.
- konschubert 4y agoNone of these countries are actively trying to erase another country from the map right now. The US is a democratic country so far, Russia is not. It’s incredibly childish, stupid and dangerous to pretend that these countries are all equally evil.
- worik 4y agoHow many invading your neighbours?
- severino 4y agoWell, I disapprove the raping and killing of entire families no matter if they're my neighbors or they live a couple of countries away. Don't you?
- konschubert 4y agoThere is only one country who’s trying to erase another from the map of Europe right now, and it’s Russia. It’s important to understand that Russia is a much bigger threat to European safety than the Saudis. When it comes to defending central european borders, your whataboutism isn’t helpful. You may call this cynical. But I think that this whataboutism that leads to inaction is the most cynical of all.
- konschubert 4y agoAre you serious.
- konschubert 4y agoThis is factually wrong.
- difosfor 4y agoWhat's the alternative though? I also wish we would completely stop paying Russia, but this will come at incredible financial and stability (i.e: Europe falling apart) costs. Perhaps we should increase our spending on ending the war sooner instead. I don't know. We're caught between a rock and a hard place.
- shmerl 4y agoWell, what was the alternative during WWII? Defeating Nazi Germany for instance. Which is what happened. But surely not doing business with it during the war, that's self explanatory.
- AnonymousPlanet 4y agoAnd how is Europe commiting collective suicide going to defeat Russia? Must be fun looking in at all this from the sidelines.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoI'm an european, and I never understood this... We sent our soldiers to every shithole america decided to "bring democracy to", but now, ukraine has become so important, that we are willing to destroy our own economy and "passively fight" until the "last dead ukranian", to achieve what exactly?
- int_19h 4y agoWhere would you draw the line? Moldova? Baltic countries? Poland? Everyone for themselves?
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoWhere did we draw the line with USA?
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- kazen44 4y agowhat does this have to do with OP's post? Also, your question is far more complex and not comparable to the russo-ukraine war. For one, the geo-political situation prior to WW2 and especially compared to today might aswell be from a completely different planet. Prior to world war 2, a intranational political union like the EU did not exist, not to mention most countries in europe weren't democracies at the time.
- shmerl 4y agoI don't see a lot of differences really in regards to the question of doing business with such regimes which equals to aiding their war.
- gambiting 4y agoAgreed.
- ithkuil 4y agoperhaps the worry is that if Europe collapses, we may discover some of the members actually align with Putin? That's the nature of democracy, all it takes is a candidate (which we usually label as "populist") to leverage the resentment of the hardship endured because of being anti-putin.
- heavenlyblue 4y agoIn Eastern European countries this resentment almost surely already exists through some sort of “Russia’s Phoenix resurrected from the ashes”
- mantas 4y agoComing from Eastern Europe... Here the fear is that Western Europe will end up in bed with Putin and sell us off. Here anti-Russian notion was written in genes in cruel ways for generations
- ZeroGravitas 4y agoThat's a strange question, as several big chunks of Europe were allied with Germany at various points after WWII started (and others remained neutral).
- lizardactivist 4y agoWhere should we buy gas from? List some alternatives for us. (Don't mention the US -- they are a bigger criminal than Russia, evidently)
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- Synaesthesia 4y agoI think after the invasion of France.
- AzzieElbab 4y agoNot as fast as you believe, and no one really cut ties with early USSR despite all its atrocities
- vfclists 4y ago
- shmerl 4y agoLet's be clear - those who support Putin today are fascist sympathizers and no amount of demagoguery is going to change that. What I'm surprised about are such pro-fascist comments here on HN. But good thing is that today it's becoming more and more clear to most, including in Europe. There will be no more sitting on two chairs for those who support Putin's fascism.
- vfclists 4y ago
- mantas 4y agoWhen do you count start of WWII? Austria? Czechoslovakia? Poland? USSR? Or USSR's attacks on Poland, Baltic states and Finland?