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That arrangement seems to be almost entirely to the benefit of the EU/US, as there's little incentive for bright/ motivated Europeans or Americans to move to Ch

That arrangement seems to be almost entirely to the benefit of the EU/US, as there's little incentive for bright/ motivated Europeans or Americans to move to China, vs significant incentive in the opposite direction.

bgorman 4y ago
Google and Meta are the best software companies the US has produced in the last 25 years. These two companies are also largely responsible for driving up wages for SV workers. TikTok could destroy both companies.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  Those two companies will be "destroyed" when they can no longer do what they do as well as their competitors. What the current laws are in China are unlikely to have much impact either way.
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    The point is that we allow competition from China but they can’t compete in China. It’s asymmetrical competition. The Chinese companies have a bigger population of customers (so more access to make money, more people to serve and grow from etc). China protects their businesses from American competition but we don’t protect our businesses from Chinese competition.
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      When has protecting businesses from competition ever ended well?
      - vineyardmike 4y ago
        Define well? There is no singular dimension of “well”. Protect them from international threats works if the goal is stabilizing domestic business for national security purposes. Ask airlines for most of their history. Or look at the ability to use American car factories for the defense production act. Will it produce the best product for their customers? Probably not. Look at American made cars. Not the best product. Will it produce the best outcome for employees? American car companies employee thousands of union jobs that pay very well. What if we successfully starve the competition? What if we don’t? No amount of government intervention was able to kill foreign car companies. But American car companies are still chugging along providing valuable employment to many Americans.
        wizofaus 4y ago
        All I meant is that I don't see ByteDance being the ultimate winners in the current arrangements.
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strangegecko 4y ago
His point isn't mainly about individuals looking for jobs. It's about the economic environment for doing business in a country. You're basically forced to hand over your IP if you want to operate in China, among many other problems. And btw, the job market for very qualified people in China arguably at least rivals the one in Europe, i.e. you can get better salaries in China than in large parts of Europe.

bgorman 4y ago

Google and Meta are the best software companies the US has produced in the last 25 years. These two companies are also largely responsible for driving up wages for SV workers. TikTok could destroy both companies.

wizofaus 4y ago
Those two companies will be "destroyed" when they can no longer do what they do as well as their competitors. What the current laws are in China are unlikely to have much impact either way.
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  The point is that we allow competition from China but they can’t compete in China. It’s asymmetrical competition. The Chinese companies have a bigger population of customers (so more access to make money, more people to serve and grow from etc). China protects their businesses from American competition but we don’t protect our businesses from Chinese competition.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    When has protecting businesses from competition ever ended well?
    - vineyardmike 4y ago
      Define well? There is no singular dimension of “well”. Protect them from international threats works if the goal is stabilizing domestic business for national security purposes. Ask airlines for most of their history. Or look at the ability to use American car factories for the defense production act. Will it produce the best product for their customers? Probably not. Look at American made cars. Not the best product. Will it produce the best outcome for employees? American car companies employee thousands of union jobs that pay very well. What if we successfully starve the competition? What if we don’t? No amount of government intervention was able to kill foreign car companies. But American car companies are still chugging along providing valuable employment to many Americans.
      - wizofaus 4y ago
        All I meant is that I don't see ByteDance being the ultimate winners in the current arrangements.
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strangegecko 4y ago

His point isn't mainly about individuals looking for jobs. It's about the economic environment for doing business in a country. You're basically forced to hand over your IP if you want to operate in China, among many other problems. And btw, the job market for very qualified people in China arguably at least rivals the one in Europe, i.e. you can get better salaries in China than in large parts of Europe.