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> this money was effectively stolen from the workers Yep. And also from the state/taxpayers, as the state will have to spend money to ensure those workers aren

by ratww 4y ago

> this money was effectively stolen from the workers Yep. And also from the state/taxpayers, as the state will have to spend money to ensure those workers aren't left out in the street when older.

Dracophoenix 4y ago
Uber didn't "steal" anything as competition is not a zero-sum game. Drivers chose contract work over a full-time job, and it's their choice to save their income. Besides, pensions and Social Security aren't shields against elder poverty befalling spendthrifts. They're merely buffers and one's that come at the opportunity cost of being able to take the money at that point in time and investing it.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  > Drivers chose contract work over a full-time job And children chose to work in the coal mines and die of blacklung > pensions and Social Security aren't shields against elder poverty befalling spendthrifts. They're merely buffers By that logic a literal shield is not a shield against swords and arrows, they are merely buffers of stronger material that protects you. They come at the opportunity cost of being able to use the money to hire more soldiers or bribe your enemy.
  - ctoth 4y ago
    > And children chose to work in the coal mines and die of blacklung Are you saying the average Uber driver has no more ability to make decisions for themselves than the average child? Uber drivers cannot consent? I reckon they must also be prevented from buying cigarettes and having sex? This is absurd. An adult entering into a voluntary contract is profoundly different than a child being forced into work, in fact it's the main thing that it means to be an adult. What sort of weird infantilization does this line of logic even come from?
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      > An adult entering into a voluntary contract is profoundly different than a child being forced into work, in fact it's the main thing that it means to be an adult Ah, okay, let's deal with adults: can you volunterilly sell your organs, sell yourself into indentured servitude, or into prostitution? Can you buy heroin or uranium? Can you at least open a coalmine without health and safety and let other people agree to work in it when they know they will get blacklung? No, you can't even buy some financial products without proving you are a sophisticated investor. You are not allowed to do shit like that because when we allow business to profit out of misery and misfortune of others, business will purposefully trap unfortunate and vulnerable. It isn't an adult vs another adult -> it's one man vs multi billion dollars of lobbying, marketing and legal department.
      - cornel_io 4y ago
        You're seriously comparing driving for Uber to working in a coal mine, selling your organs, and selling yourself into slavery or prostitution? When I was in college I drove pizzas and Chinese delivery for $2 an hour plus tips. It was fine, and I was happy for the work, which was the best I could find part-time. I'd have been much happier if I could have driven for Uber, and I'd have missed rent payments far less often. Miss me with the "this should be illegal" stuff, it's a completely different thing than any of the other stuff you mentioned.
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        ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        I know people for whom prostitution worked out great, some of them made serious money. Why shouldn't I compare one form of expoitation to another form of exploitation? In fact I would rather have prostitution than people working at $2/hour. Why do you think successfull business happens in UK/US/{Insert first world country} and not in Somalia? It's the fact that we have law & order, educated population and infrastructure. These things cost more than $2 an hour to maintain. Now if you started your own business and end up making $2 an hour, thats one thing. But when an international corporation systematically exploits our people by underpaying them, it's destroying local businesses who can't compete and routing taxes through panama, it's stealing from all of us.

by ratww 4y ago

> this money was effectively stolen from the workers Yep. And also from the state/taxpayers, as the state will have to spend money to ensure those workers aren't left out in the street when older.

Dracophoenix 4y ago

Uber didn't "steal" anything as competition is not a zero-sum game. Drivers chose contract work over a full-time job, and it's their choice to save their income. Besides, pensions and Social Security aren't shields against elder poverty befalling spendthrifts. They're merely buffers and one's that come at the opportunity cost of being able to take the money at that point in time and investing it.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> Drivers chose contract work over a full-time job And children chose to work in the coal mines and die of blacklung > pensions and Social Security aren't shields against elder poverty befalling spendthrifts. They're merely buffers By that logic a literal shield is not a shield against swords and arrows, they are merely buffers of stronger material that protects you. They come at the opportunity cost of being able to use the money to hire more soldiers or bribe your enemy.
- ctoth 4y ago
  > And children chose to work in the coal mines and die of blacklung Are you saying the average Uber driver has no more ability to make decisions for themselves than the average child? Uber drivers cannot consent? I reckon they must also be prevented from buying cigarettes and having sex? This is absurd. An adult entering into a voluntary contract is profoundly different than a child being forced into work, in fact it's the main thing that it means to be an adult. What sort of weird infantilization does this line of logic even come from?
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    > An adult entering into a voluntary contract is profoundly different than a child being forced into work, in fact it's the main thing that it means to be an adult Ah, okay, let's deal with adults: can you volunterilly sell your organs, sell yourself into indentured servitude, or into prostitution? Can you buy heroin or uranium? Can you at least open a coalmine without health and safety and let other people agree to work in it when they know they will get blacklung? No, you can't even buy some financial products without proving you are a sophisticated investor. You are not allowed to do shit like that because when we allow business to profit out of misery and misfortune of others, business will purposefully trap unfortunate and vulnerable. It isn't an adult vs another adult -> it's one man vs multi billion dollars of lobbying, marketing and legal department.
    - cornel_io 4y ago
      You're seriously comparing driving for Uber to working in a coal mine, selling your organs, and selling yourself into slavery or prostitution? When I was in college I drove pizzas and Chinese delivery for $2 an hour plus tips. It was fine, and I was happy for the work, which was the best I could find part-time. I'd have been much happier if I could have driven for Uber, and I'd have missed rent payments far less often. Miss me with the "this should be illegal" stuff, it's a completely different thing than any of the other stuff you mentioned.
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      - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        I know people for whom prostitution worked out great, some of them made serious money. Why shouldn't I compare one form of expoitation to another form of exploitation? In fact I would rather have prostitution than people working at $2/hour. Why do you think successfull business happens in UK/US/{Insert first world country} and not in Somalia? It's the fact that we have law & order, educated population and infrastructure. These things cost more than $2 an hour to maintain. Now if you started your own business and end up making $2 an hour, thats one thing. But when an international corporation systematically exploits our people by underpaying them, it's destroying local businesses who can't compete and routing taxes through panama, it's stealing from all of us.