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I love it. So you’re comparing the experiences of real drivers who don’t hate it to bloggers who are making mathematical calculations and you take the word of t

I love it. So you’re comparing the experiences of real drivers who don’t hate it to bloggers who are making mathematical calculations and you take the word of the bloggers. That’s just about par for the course. “The poor dumb blue collar workers don’t know any better and need to be protected by the smarter elites who did the calculations!”

blowski 4y ago
I don't see you presenting any contrary evidence of the opinions of "real drivers".
- neilk 4y ago
  As far as I know, such evidence has never been released by Uber. I’m sure that Uber knows, or could, but I don’t think they’ve shared that info. They have an API called Movement which publishes anonymized data about trips, but I think cost isn’t available. There was a study by MIT in 2018 that concluded it was a bad deal for drivers. https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/02/mit-study-shows-how-much-driving-for-uber-or-lyft-sucks/amp/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/02/mit-study-shows-how-much-d... I don’t know if the 2018 data is still relevant, as there are complex incentives that vary in each market. But, Uber (and similar companies) could probably end the questions tomorrow by releasing data or allowing researchers to have access to their drivers. The fact that they don’t, and that they instead spend $200M lobbying the governments to make an exception for worker protections for rideshare drivers (and tried to make that irrevocable without a 7/8ths majority!!) seems telling to me. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/20/politics/california-proposition-22-uber-lyft/index.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/20/politics/california-propo...
kbenson 4y ago
They didn't state the bloggers were making the calculations. The bloggers noted are pro Uber. If you're going to just dismiss someone's point through an appeal to sentiment, you might as well get it right. Or maybe getting what was said right doesn't matter, and just recasting it as elitist as a tactic is the point.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
So youve compared experiences of real drug addicts who don't have it to scientists doing the calculations and you take word of the scientist?
- Kranar 4y ago
  I genuinely don't know any drug addict who thinks taking drugs is a good thing, beneficial to them or in anyway a positive aspect of their life. Please don't make up phony exaggerations just to win an Internet argument.
  - wyre 4y ago
    I bet you know a lot of compulsive drinkers that view alcohol as a positive in their life. I’m addicted to marijuana, but I still think it’s a good thing because it helps my PTSD. I don’t like being addicted to it, but I’m better off consuming it than not, although my addiction makes it difficult to regulate.

blowski 4y ago

I don't see you presenting any contrary evidence of the opinions of "real drivers".

neilk 4y ago
As far as I know, such evidence has never been released by Uber. I’m sure that Uber knows, or could, but I don’t think they’ve shared that info. They have an API called Movement which publishes anonymized data about trips, but I think cost isn’t available. There was a study by MIT in 2018 that concluded it was a bad deal for drivers. https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/02/mit-study-shows-how-much-driving-for-uber-or-lyft-sucks/amp/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/02/mit-study-shows-how-much-d... I don’t know if the 2018 data is still relevant, as there are complex incentives that vary in each market. But, Uber (and similar companies) could probably end the questions tomorrow by releasing data or allowing researchers to have access to their drivers. The fact that they don’t, and that they instead spend $200M lobbying the governments to make an exception for worker protections for rideshare drivers (and tried to make that irrevocable without a 7/8ths majority!!) seems telling to me. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/20/politics/california-proposition-22-uber-lyft/index.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/20/politics/california-propo...

kbenson 4y ago

They didn't state the bloggers were making the calculations. The bloggers noted are pro Uber. If you're going to just dismiss someone's point through an appeal to sentiment, you might as well get it right. Or maybe getting what was said right doesn't matter, and just recasting it as elitist as a tactic is the point.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

So youve compared experiences of real drug addicts who don't have it to scientists doing the calculations and you take word of the scientist?

Kranar 4y ago
I genuinely don't know any drug addict who thinks taking drugs is a good thing, beneficial to them or in anyway a positive aspect of their life. Please don't make up phony exaggerations just to win an Internet argument.
- wyre 4y ago
  I bet you know a lot of compulsive drinkers that view alcohol as a positive in their life. I’m addicted to marijuana, but I still think it’s a good thing because it helps my PTSD. I don’t like being addicted to it, but I’m better off consuming it than not, although my addiction makes it difficult to regulate.