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Defund the police was the stupidest policy in American History and in future retrospectives will almost certainly reveal the Democrats lost congressional seats

Defund the police was the stupidest policy in American History and in future retrospectives will almost certainly reveal the Democrats lost congressional seats because of this very bad idea. Crime is exploding across the country, so much so its a top issue in polls [1]. Police violence is not a real concern. 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/18/white-house-democrats-must-listen-to-voters-on-crime/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/18/white-hou...

notch656a 4y ago
>Police violence is not a real concern. Please tell me this is sarcasm.
- justinzollars 4y ago
  It does not appear in the polls as any top issue of any concern. Violence and Gun violence are examples of real issues Americans care about
  - enragedcacti 4y ago
    as of 2020 48% of adults and 83% of black adults consider police violence to be an extremely/very serious issue https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-racial-injustice-politics-police-728b414b8742129329081f7092179d1f https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-racial-injust...
    - gruez 4y ago
      >as of 2020 The GGP explicitly mentioned it's not an issue right now, and linked to a news story that was published in 2022.
    - justinzollars 4y ago
      That’s like asking is red very red? ask people to list their concerns. It won’t make any list.
  - 8note 4y ago
    Police violence is not a subset of violence and gun violence?
    - justinzollars 4y ago
      No. It really isn't. There are tens of thousands of instances of gun violence and very few instances of police violence. When people say they are worried about being shot, they do not mean by police.
      - notch656a 4y ago
        People are worried about school shootings, and there are fewer deaths annually by school shooter than there are by police annually. Just because something is statistically on the less common side doesn't mean people aren't worried about it (police killings are only like 5% compared to the number of homicides, and roughly 10% compared to the number of homicides by a stranger). Of course if people were operating purely on the numbers, the thought of death by cop or school shooter would barely even register compared to the time thinking about by death from poor diet and exercise or from traffic accidents or consumption of tobacco/alcohol/drugs. Personally I worry about police violence in part because it's one of the things the individual has the least control over. I can fire back at a robber, I can choose a better diet, I can send my kid to a school with better security policies, I can shoot someone trying to set fire to my house, I can choose not to drink/smoke. I can pick family and friends to hold close that I've personally screened before exposing them to my wife and child. What I can't do is pick what police officer shows up or hassles me, and then If I'm forced to defend myself from a bad officer it's a near certainty I'll be executed or imprisoned assuming I survive the encounter. My only real recourse is to raise societal concerns to reform the police. Because I have very little individualized recourse unlike the much more common dangers (I can choose not to smoke for instance), it becomes a big concern over something that should appear rather little. If you have any doubts about some of these issues in Arizona, by all means feel free to witness the anecdotal data point of the execution of Daniel Shaver in what can only be described as a psychotic version of Simon Says. The system even saw fit to rehire the officer that killed him just to give him a pension for "PTSD" from shooting an innocent man.
ruined 4y ago
"defund the police" was not a Democratic party idea, it is the watered-down version of an abolitionist movement undergoing recuperation by local politicians that were trying to gain support from a potential base. police action is in the top 10 leading causes of death for several demographics https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821204116 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821204116 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK1_2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK1_2015.pdf

notch656a 4y ago

>Police violence is not a real concern. Please tell me this is sarcasm.

justinzollars 4y ago
It does not appear in the polls as any top issue of any concern. Violence and Gun violence are examples of real issues Americans care about
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  as of 2020 48% of adults and 83% of black adults consider police violence to be an extremely/very serious issue https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-racial-injustice-politics-police-728b414b8742129329081f7092179d1f https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-racial-injust...
  - gruez 4y ago
    >as of 2020 The GGP explicitly mentioned it's not an issue right now, and linked to a news story that was published in 2022.
  - justinzollars 4y ago
    That’s like asking is red very red? ask people to list their concerns. It won’t make any list.
- 8note 4y ago
  Police violence is not a subset of violence and gun violence?
  - justinzollars 4y ago
    No. It really isn't. There are tens of thousands of instances of gun violence and very few instances of police violence. When people say they are worried about being shot, they do not mean by police.
    - notch656a 4y ago
      People are worried about school shootings, and there are fewer deaths annually by school shooter than there are by police annually. Just because something is statistically on the less common side doesn't mean people aren't worried about it (police killings are only like 5% compared to the number of homicides, and roughly 10% compared to the number of homicides by a stranger). Of course if people were operating purely on the numbers, the thought of death by cop or school shooter would barely even register compared to the time thinking about by death from poor diet and exercise or from traffic accidents or consumption of tobacco/alcohol/drugs. Personally I worry about police violence in part because it's one of the things the individual has the least control over. I can fire back at a robber, I can choose a better diet, I can send my kid to a school with better security policies, I can shoot someone trying to set fire to my house, I can choose not to drink/smoke. I can pick family and friends to hold close that I've personally screened before exposing them to my wife and child. What I can't do is pick what police officer shows up or hassles me, and then If I'm forced to defend myself from a bad officer it's a near certainty I'll be executed or imprisoned assuming I survive the encounter. My only real recourse is to raise societal concerns to reform the police. Because I have very little individualized recourse unlike the much more common dangers (I can choose not to smoke for instance), it becomes a big concern over something that should appear rather little. If you have any doubts about some of these issues in Arizona, by all means feel free to witness the anecdotal data point of the execution of Daniel Shaver in what can only be described as a psychotic version of Simon Says. The system even saw fit to rehire the officer that killed him just to give him a pension for "PTSD" from shooting an innocent man.

ruined 4y ago

"defund the police" was not a Democratic party idea, it is the watered-down version of an abolitionist movement undergoing recuperation by local politicians that were trying to gain support from a potential base. police action is in the top 10 leading causes of death for several demographics https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821204116 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821204116 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK1_2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK1_2015.pdf