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Less significant in and of itself, is the fact that this is not the first new college I've heard of being founded in the last few years, at a time when overall

Less significant in and of itself, is the fact that this is not the first new college I've heard of being founded in the last few years, at a time when overall undergrad college enrollment is in decline, and a few colleges have recently either closed or merged with other institutions to make one college smaller than the two were when separate. This would seem to be contradictory, if it is interpreted as a result of less demand for post-secondary education. It makes more sense, if it is the result of a dissatisfaction with current US post-secondary institutions.

indymike 4y ago
> It makes more sense, if it is the result of a dissatisfaction with current US post-secondary institutions. This is exactly what is going on. Boot camps, income share models, and a lot of newer colleges are simply attempts to disrupt the post-secondary industry. In this case, they have a really interesting table on the Tuition and fees page showing how students come out $171,000 ahead with their apprenticeship program (and it is quite conservative).
mikeryan 4y ago
Dunno this seems like a bit of a strange one and I'm sure others have popped up. This is a faith based, trade school where everyone graduates with a "Catholic Studies Degree" It's barely a college, its not accredited AFAICT and seems more like a trade school - outside of the "Catholic Studies Degree" which maybe counts for a "real" BA?
- philsnow 4y ago
  To my knowledge, accreditation takes a few years and requires demonstrating adherence to the accreditation standards over a similar period of years. I don't know if, for a new school, accreditation groups retroactively "credit" any degrees that the school has granted since opening.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    Non-accredited schools that are seeking accreditation always highlight this fact and what it means for students who start before accreditation is award. This school does not, so it almost certainly is not seeking accreditation, and since it's degree program is pretty overtly not a traditional academic degree program (not even in theology), but a religio-political indoctrination program designed to create warriors for a particular political viewpoint on behalf of a theocratic faction within Catholicism, I doubt it would have much chance at accreditation if it sought it.
    - philsnow 4y ago
      > its degree program is pretty overtly not a traditional academic degree program (not even in theology), but a religio-political indoctrination program designed to create warriors for a particular political viewpoint on behalf of a theocratic faction within Catholicism Do these bits: The college aims at a revived citizen class of educated workers who can hold the powerful forces of our society to account" and The American separation of religion from public life [...] is an error[...]. This error must be overcome form the basis of your conclusion?
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        No, those excepts alone are not the whole basis. Why?
      - tptacek 4y ago
        For what it's worth, I recoiled from the sentiment 'dragonwriter expressed, but I did some digging and I think they're more right than wrong about this. It's unfortunate, because creative alternative credentials and trade-focused education are interesting and valuable discussions to have. But I don't think this particular organization is likely to be operating in good faith.
    - _vdpp 4y ago
      Arguably a lot of pre-existing, accredited institutions are now pretty overtly not a traditional degree program (not even in say, English, or History) but a religio-political indoctrination program designed to create warriors for a particular political viewpoint of a theocratic faction…
- HWR_14 4y ago
  > its not accredited AFAICT and seems more like a trade school AFAICT, trade schools also need to be accredited, if they're graduates are able to get into the trades that they are trained in.
- TylerE 4y ago
  Sounds more like a slightly upmarket version of a southern “Bible college”
feet 4y ago
I remember reading recently about a new professor starting a nonprofit college/university to cut out as much admin bloat as possible, is that one of the ones you're talking about? I ask because I can't remember what the name of the school was and I haven't been able to locate information even though I tried. Does anyone here remember what I'm talking about? I actually thought j read about it here on HN. Yes, I tried the search function :)

indymike 4y ago

> It makes more sense, if it is the result of a dissatisfaction with current US post-secondary institutions. This is exactly what is going on. Boot camps, income share models, and a lot of newer colleges are simply attempts to disrupt the post-secondary industry. In this case, they have a really interesting table on the Tuition and fees page showing how students come out $171,000 ahead with their apprenticeship program (and it is quite conservative).

mikeryan 4y ago

Dunno this seems like a bit of a strange one and I'm sure others have popped up. This is a faith based, trade school where everyone graduates with a "Catholic Studies Degree" It's barely a college, its not accredited AFAICT and seems more like a trade school - outside of the "Catholic Studies Degree" which maybe counts for a "real" BA?

philsnow 4y ago
To my knowledge, accreditation takes a few years and requires demonstrating adherence to the accreditation standards over a similar period of years. I don't know if, for a new school, accreditation groups retroactively "credit" any degrees that the school has granted since opening.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  Non-accredited schools that are seeking accreditation always highlight this fact and what it means for students who start before accreditation is award. This school does not, so it almost certainly is not seeking accreditation, and since it's degree program is pretty overtly not a traditional academic degree program (not even in theology), but a religio-political indoctrination program designed to create warriors for a particular political viewpoint on behalf of a theocratic faction within Catholicism, I doubt it would have much chance at accreditation if it sought it.
  - philsnow 4y ago
    > its degree program is pretty overtly not a traditional academic degree program (not even in theology), but a religio-political indoctrination program designed to create warriors for a particular political viewpoint on behalf of a theocratic faction within Catholicism Do these bits: The college aims at a revived citizen class of educated workers who can hold the powerful forces of our society to account" and The American separation of religion from public life [...] is an error[...]. This error must be overcome form the basis of your conclusion?
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      No, those excepts alone are not the whole basis. Why?
    - tptacek 4y ago
      For what it's worth, I recoiled from the sentiment 'dragonwriter expressed, but I did some digging and I think they're more right than wrong about this. It's unfortunate, because creative alternative credentials and trade-focused education are interesting and valuable discussions to have. But I don't think this particular organization is likely to be operating in good faith.
  - _vdpp 4y ago
    Arguably a lot of pre-existing, accredited institutions are now pretty overtly not a traditional degree program (not even in say, English, or History) but a religio-political indoctrination program designed to create warriors for a particular political viewpoint of a theocratic faction…
HWR_14 4y ago
> its not accredited AFAICT and seems more like a trade school AFAICT, trade schools also need to be accredited, if they're graduates are able to get into the trades that they are trained in.
TylerE 4y ago
Sounds more like a slightly upmarket version of a southern “Bible college”

feet 4y ago

I remember reading recently about a new professor starting a nonprofit college/university to cut out as much admin bloat as possible, is that one of the ones you're talking about? I ask because I can't remember what the name of the school was and I haven't been able to locate information even though I tried. Does anyone here remember what I'm talking about? I actually thought j read about it here on HN. Yes, I tried the search function :)