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What's going to stop the police from lying and saying any camera was within 8 feet?

by gaze 4y ago

OJFord 4y ago
Well the footage seems like it would be pretty good evidence (whichever way), given some analysis and a site visit?
- staticassertion 4y ago
  I'm sure every cop will pull out their ruler and measure it out accurately lol
  - OJFord 4y ago
    Why would it be a cop? I'm saying if you were charged with it there would be no excuse for not having photographic evidence of it.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  Getting body cam footage from the police is like pulling teeth, except the teeth have guns and politicians. The public is barely able to get footage after outrageous murders by the police. Under this new law, the police are given additional and unreasonable cover for destroying evidence. After all, you’re interfering by recording them, and they can’t be blamed if they happen to curb stomp your phone while arresting you for interference.
  - tintor 4y ago
    live-streaming
    - speed_spread 4y ago
      Next thing you know, every police car is equipped with a short range cellular base station to intercept or block any outgoing streams in the vincinity.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      Are we to expect every person at a crime scene to have the presence of mind to live stream? That seems extraordinary.
      - yellowapple 4y ago
        Depends on how expedient it is to launch a livestreaming app.
        woodruffw 4y ago
        And on the availability and stability of a cellular or WiFi connection.
    - gaze 4y ago
      I imagine there will be a lot of live-streams that begin with a cop walking to the camera going "hey hey hey put that away" and end around there.
- gaze 4y ago
  Site visit might be "too expensive" or "not warranted" or just dismissed with some excuse, and if a cop sees someone taking out a camera, I imagine they can just walk towards it and say "you're too close," since at some point they will be.
  - OJFord 4y ago
    > Site visit might be "too expensive" or "not warranted" or just dismissed But that should only happen if there's no 'reasonable doubt', right? And if not, that's a bigger more general problem.
    - gaze 4y ago
      I assure you, there is a "bigger, more general problem" that this legislation was introduced to prop up.
- saltminer 4y ago
  At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether the charges are dropped or if you're found innocent. What matters is that it'll cause people to think twice about filming the police. What happens when you get arrested? Well, you might end up on the news, miss work because you can't make bail, lose your job because of either of those. Without a job you can't make rent (and finding a new job or housing with an arrest is much harder, even if you were found innocent/charges dropped), without rent you get evicted which nukes your credit and means you can only rent from utter slumlords...you get the picture. And that's assuming you don't have cops who do things like plant drugs to justify further charges. Those most likely to be the victims of police brutality are the same people who are most likely to be living paycheck to paycheck and afraid of getting arrested. It creates a chilling effect, so regardless of the legality of the actions of the police, they won. Edit: Also, consider a cop approaching you and saying "no filming within 8 feet". You're not within 8 feet of the scene of the crime but he's getting close, so you, being a law-abiding citizen, back up. He keeps coming towards you. Pretty soon, your camera can't zoom in far enough to record the original situation. You start to run around him since you can get close to the scene but 8 feet from him and it'll be legal to film...only to get tackled and charged with resisting arrest or other similarly vague statutes. Now you're in even more trouble than before, and are way more likely to get convicted. Oh, and after you dropped your phone during the arrest, it was mysteriously smashed, so now it's your word against the cops...at that point, you might as well just take a plea.

What's going to stop the police from lying and saying any camera was within 8 feet?

by gaze 4y ago

What's going to stop the police from lying and saying any camera was within 8 feet?

OJFord 4y ago

Well the footage seems like it would be pretty good evidence (whichever way), given some analysis and a site visit?

staticassertion 4y ago
I'm sure every cop will pull out their ruler and measure it out accurately lol
- OJFord 4y ago
  Why would it be a cop? I'm saying if you were charged with it there would be no excuse for not having photographic evidence of it.
woodruffw 4y ago
Getting body cam footage from the police is like pulling teeth, except the teeth have guns and politicians. The public is barely able to get footage after outrageous murders by the police. Under this new law, the police are given additional and unreasonable cover for destroying evidence. After all, you’re interfering by recording them, and they can’t be blamed if they happen to curb stomp your phone while arresting you for interference.
- tintor 4y ago
  live-streaming
  - speed_spread 4y ago
    Next thing you know, every police car is equipped with a short range cellular base station to intercept or block any outgoing streams in the vincinity.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    Are we to expect every person at a crime scene to have the presence of mind to live stream? That seems extraordinary.
    - yellowapple 4y ago
      Depends on how expedient it is to launch a livestreaming app.
      - woodruffw 4y ago
        And on the availability and stability of a cellular or WiFi connection.
  - gaze 4y ago
    I imagine there will be a lot of live-streams that begin with a cop walking to the camera going "hey hey hey put that away" and end around there.
gaze 4y ago
Site visit might be "too expensive" or "not warranted" or just dismissed with some excuse, and if a cop sees someone taking out a camera, I imagine they can just walk towards it and say "you're too close," since at some point they will be.
- OJFord 4y ago
  > Site visit might be "too expensive" or "not warranted" or just dismissed But that should only happen if there's no 'reasonable doubt', right? And if not, that's a bigger more general problem.
  - gaze 4y ago
    I assure you, there is a "bigger, more general problem" that this legislation was introduced to prop up.
saltminer 4y ago
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether the charges are dropped or if you're found innocent. What matters is that it'll cause people to think twice about filming the police. What happens when you get arrested? Well, you might end up on the news, miss work because you can't make bail, lose your job because of either of those. Without a job you can't make rent (and finding a new job or housing with an arrest is much harder, even if you were found innocent/charges dropped), without rent you get evicted which nukes your credit and means you can only rent from utter slumlords...you get the picture. And that's assuming you don't have cops who do things like plant drugs to justify further charges. Those most likely to be the victims of police brutality are the same people who are most likely to be living paycheck to paycheck and afraid of getting arrested. It creates a chilling effect, so regardless of the legality of the actions of the police, they won. Edit: Also, consider a cop approaching you and saying "no filming within 8 feet". You're not within 8 feet of the scene of the crime but he's getting close, so you, being a law-abiding citizen, back up. He keeps coming towards you. Pretty soon, your camera can't zoom in far enough to record the original situation. You start to run around him since you can get close to the scene but 8 feet from him and it'll be legal to film...only to get tackled and charged with resisting arrest or other similarly vague statutes. Now you're in even more trouble than before, and are way more likely to get convicted. Oh, and after you dropped your phone during the arrest, it was mysteriously smashed, so now it's your word against the cops...at that point, you might as well just take a plea.