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There's also the fact that a CC is accredited, so not only do you get a degree, but you also get credits that can be transferred to another college.

reaperducer 4y ago
There's also the fact that a CC is accredited Doesn't the school have to open first, and then get accredited later? Or is it possible to be accredited from day one?
- ModernMech 4y ago
  True it takes time, as student outcomes and testimonials are part of the accreditation process. But that doesn’t change the calculus for new students. It’s kind of a catch-22, but necessarily so.
  - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
    I would suspect the cost would go up if accredited. So, maybe an early adopter discount in some cases if not this one.
tolleydbg 4y ago
I don't think the student who who attend a trade school like this would care in the slightest that it isn't accredited. Taking them at their word that they teach five trades, offer employment at a local construction company, and set students up with an apprenticeship, these students could care less about accreditation or a degree. They'll finish with several years of experience in a trade.
- jxf 4y ago
  > I don't think the student who who attend a trade school like this would care in the slightest that it isn't accredited. They will if they want to claim tax credits, take out a loan to pay for the education, gain discounts on insurance, continue their education later, and so on.
- tzs 4y ago
  But if a student doesn’t care about the degree what is the point of going to that school? Would it be cheaper and faster to go to a normal trade school that just teaches trades?
UIUC_06 4y ago
> There's also the fact that a CC is accredited One wonders if the accreditation agencies are neutral, or if they're going to say "well, you're not a real school, so we're not going to accredit you."
- d4mi3n 4y ago
  Can’t speak for the east coast, but the west coast accreditation organization (I forget the name) has a fairly clear set of standards for accreditation that boil down to: 1. Facilities required for accreditation (library, labs, offices, etc) 2. Degree programs and learning objectives (e.g. Bachelors of Computer Science and a list of competencies said degree asserts) 3. Processes and procedures, particularly around course management and curriculum. A big part of this is mapping out your listed degree requirements to classes that either provide those competencies or provide building blocks required for those competencies. E.g. Calc -> Lambda Calc -> Category Theory to provide a lot of fundamental math skills for a proposed CS curriculum. EDIT: found them—the Western Association of Schools and Colleges is the organization that performs accreditations of colleges in California: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Association_of_Schools_and_Colleges https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Association_of_Schoo...
- Nasrudith 4y ago
  I saw a university accrediting its new engineering department during a tour. It is a bunch of bueracracy and standards as opposed to something adhoc and fiefdom style. In that case the first few waves of graduates were conditionally accredited as graduates were required to accredit. Standards here seemed to be aligned in interests - they want to preserve reputations more than gatekeep. Given the sheer university volume gatekeeping is a dubious approach anyway.
- HWR_14 4y ago
  > accreditation agencies are neutral, or if they're going to say "well, you're not a real school, so we're not going to accredit you." Saying "you're not a real school, so we're not going to accredit you" is literally the sole job of an accreditation agency. Well, that and figuring out how to define a "real school".

reaperducer 4y ago

There's also the fact that a CC is accredited Doesn't the school have to open first, and then get accredited later? Or is it possible to be accredited from day one?

ModernMech 4y ago
True it takes time, as student outcomes and testimonials are part of the accreditation process. But that doesn’t change the calculus for new students. It’s kind of a catch-22, but necessarily so.
- SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
  I would suspect the cost would go up if accredited. So, maybe an early adopter discount in some cases if not this one.

tolleydbg 4y ago

I don't think the student who who attend a trade school like this would care in the slightest that it isn't accredited. Taking them at their word that they teach five trades, offer employment at a local construction company, and set students up with an apprenticeship, these students could care less about accreditation or a degree. They'll finish with several years of experience in a trade.

jxf 4y ago
> I don't think the student who who attend a trade school like this would care in the slightest that it isn't accredited. They will if they want to claim tax credits, take out a loan to pay for the education, gain discounts on insurance, continue their education later, and so on.
tzs 4y ago
But if a student doesn’t care about the degree what is the point of going to that school? Would it be cheaper and faster to go to a normal trade school that just teaches trades?

UIUC_06 4y ago

> There's also the fact that a CC is accredited One wonders if the accreditation agencies are neutral, or if they're going to say "well, you're not a real school, so we're not going to accredit you."

d4mi3n 4y ago
Can’t speak for the east coast, but the west coast accreditation organization (I forget the name) has a fairly clear set of standards for accreditation that boil down to: 1. Facilities required for accreditation (library, labs, offices, etc) 2. Degree programs and learning objectives (e.g. Bachelors of Computer Science and a list of competencies said degree asserts) 3. Processes and procedures, particularly around course management and curriculum. A big part of this is mapping out your listed degree requirements to classes that either provide those competencies or provide building blocks required for those competencies. E.g. Calc -> Lambda Calc -> Category Theory to provide a lot of fundamental math skills for a proposed CS curriculum. EDIT: found them—the Western Association of Schools and Colleges is the organization that performs accreditations of colleges in California: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Association_of_Schools_and_Colleges https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Association_of_Schoo...
Nasrudith 4y ago
I saw a university accrediting its new engineering department during a tour. It is a bunch of bueracracy and standards as opposed to something adhoc and fiefdom style. In that case the first few waves of graduates were conditionally accredited as graduates were required to accredit. Standards here seemed to be aligned in interests - they want to preserve reputations more than gatekeep. Given the sheer university volume gatekeeping is a dubious approach anyway.
HWR_14 4y ago
> accreditation agencies are neutral, or if they're going to say "well, you're not a real school, so we're not going to accredit you." Saying "you're not a real school, so we're not going to accredit you" is literally the sole job of an accreditation agency. Well, that and figuring out how to define a "real school".