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There is a new university called UATX that is trying https://www.uaustin.org/ https://www.uaustin.org/ But they seem to be going down the route of trying to ge

There is a new university called UATX that is trying https://www.uaustin.org/ https://www.uaustin.org/ But they seem to be going down the route of trying to get accredited. IMO no one cares about any of that except other academics, businesses only care about talent and intelligence.

whatshisface 4y ago
Accreditation is meant to protect students (in the new model, customers) from scams. Would you, personally, go to a college that wasn't accredited?
- seibelj 4y ago
  Yes - if a graduate can demonstrate they received a good education, then the reputation of the school will grow. Many rules for accreditation (like libraries with a certain number of books) make zero sense in 2022.
  - whatshisface 4y ago
    Would you, as a student, rather grow the reputation of your non-accredited institution by demonstrating over time that you don't match the prevailing prejudices against it, or would you rather go to an accredited institution that people can see with a little research, is not a diploma mill?
- mathgladiator 4y ago
  > Would you, personally, go to a college that wasn't accredited? If there was solid evidence of a pipeline towards big tech, then maybe? I went to K-State which is accredited and yet no big tech recruits from there. The only way I got into the big tech game was starting a company in the mid-west and having CTO on my resume.
  - whatshisface 4y ago
    I've never seen solid evidence, that the public would be able to see, of a pipeline to big tech except at Stanford, and maybe Harvard, because that's what people talk about and put in movies. I am not saying there isn't a "pipeline" anywhere else, just that the pipeline has to be very big and obvious before a highschooler or a midwestern parent of a highschooler would know about it. If it was really true that nothing mattered except for quality, there'd hardly be a need for universities at all, because students could buy books and self-teach or hire tutors. Nonetheless, that is almost never done, because outward signs like accreditation matter a lot.
    - watwut 4y ago
      The other reason is that the learn from books alone simply does not work in practice. First, it is super hard to keep motivation without that external structure. And second, choosing books to learn from and choosing curriculum itself requires a lot of know how.
    - User23 4y ago
      The University of Waterloo’s co-op program is a major pipeline into big tech. I’ve worked with Waterloo interns and graduates many times and they’ve all been well above average.
      - scythe 4y ago
        But you've picked one of the most prominent schools in Canada as an example. A good example would be somewhere that isn't already extremely prestigious.
        barry-cotter 4y ago
        Canada isn’t like the US. Canadian universities expand. They don’t have anywhere near the degree of difference in prestige an American thinks normal. Also, seriously, Waterloo is one one of the most prominent schools? Most Americans don’t know it exists, never mind have an opinion on how prestigious it is. I know it has a fantastic CS programme, with coop every second semester and that is the sum total of my knowledge. That’s a lot more than most people know.
howmayiannoyyou 4y ago
Graduate only, for now.
jen20 4y ago
Immigration agencies tend to care.

whatshisface 4y ago

Accreditation is meant to protect students (in the new model, customers) from scams. Would you, personally, go to a college that wasn't accredited?

seibelj 4y ago
Yes - if a graduate can demonstrate they received a good education, then the reputation of the school will grow. Many rules for accreditation (like libraries with a certain number of books) make zero sense in 2022.
- whatshisface 4y ago
  Would you, as a student, rather grow the reputation of your non-accredited institution by demonstrating over time that you don't match the prevailing prejudices against it, or would you rather go to an accredited institution that people can see with a little research, is not a diploma mill?
mathgladiator 4y ago
> Would you, personally, go to a college that wasn't accredited? If there was solid evidence of a pipeline towards big tech, then maybe? I went to K-State which is accredited and yet no big tech recruits from there. The only way I got into the big tech game was starting a company in the mid-west and having CTO on my resume.
- whatshisface 4y ago
  I've never seen solid evidence, that the public would be able to see, of a pipeline to big tech except at Stanford, and maybe Harvard, because that's what people talk about and put in movies. I am not saying there isn't a "pipeline" anywhere else, just that the pipeline has to be very big and obvious before a highschooler or a midwestern parent of a highschooler would know about it. If it was really true that nothing mattered except for quality, there'd hardly be a need for universities at all, because students could buy books and self-teach or hire tutors. Nonetheless, that is almost never done, because outward signs like accreditation matter a lot.
  - watwut 4y ago
    The other reason is that the learn from books alone simply does not work in practice. First, it is super hard to keep motivation without that external structure. And second, choosing books to learn from and choosing curriculum itself requires a lot of know how.
  - User23 4y ago
    The University of Waterloo’s co-op program is a major pipeline into big tech. I’ve worked with Waterloo interns and graduates many times and they’ve all been well above average.
    - scythe 4y ago
      But you've picked one of the most prominent schools in Canada as an example. A good example would be somewhere that isn't already extremely prestigious.
      - barry-cotter 4y ago
        Canada isn’t like the US. Canadian universities expand. They don’t have anywhere near the degree of difference in prestige an American thinks normal. Also, seriously, Waterloo is one one of the most prominent schools? Most Americans don’t know it exists, never mind have an opinion on how prestigious it is. I know it has a fantastic CS programme, with coop every second semester and that is the sum total of my knowledge. That’s a lot more than most people know.

howmayiannoyyou 4y ago

Graduate only, for now.

jen20 4y ago

Immigration agencies tend to care.