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Police kill way too many people. Whether there's a racial motivation or basis behind that cannot usually be determined by selectively watching videos. And scho
by fortran77 4y ago
Police kill way too many people.
Whether there's a racial motivation or basis behind that cannot usually be determined by selectively watching videos. And scholarly sources have published studies that show the answer is complicated:
see https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z
and https://www.manhattan-institute.org/verbruggen-fatal-police-shootings https://www.manhattan-institute.org/verbruggen-fatal-police-...
for two different takes on ths.
- recyclelater 4y agoThere are roughly 350 million people in this country. It’s surprising the number of people killed by police isn’t higher. Everyone contextualizes police shootings as if they all happen in their local city, so the numbers seem large. I want this number as small as possible while not over correcting so much that we have other negative consequences (violent crime increases).
- ivalm 4y agoPer capita we are (edit: #33) in the world and are an absolute leader among developed countries [0] [0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-ki...
- delecti 4y agoWe're #7 by count, not per-capita. Per-capita we're #33 (scroll down to the chart sorted by "per 10m"). Though our per capita rate is still absurd compared to other developed countries. The next comparable country is Canada at 9.7, 1/3 as high.
- ivalm 4y agoYou’re right!
- recyclelater 4y agoYes but you have to discount ubiquitous firearm ownership. You can argue that is problematic pretty successfully but I don’t fault police officers (as a whole, obviously individual bad actors, again we have 350mm people here and 1mm police) having to shoot armed and dangerous individuals.
- ivalm 4y agoWhat is your concrete evidence that this is what drives the excess police shooting rates in the US?
- recyclelater 4y agoFactor in only unarmed shootings and it’s tiny. The rest are mostly armed and dangerous people actively involved in violence. That it a shocking high number of suicide by cop. You can watch a thousand videos if you care to and it’s eye opening. I made it a habit of watching the body cam footage of shootings in the news and it’s almost always clearly justified, though I do understand that there is a minority viewpoint that doesn’t consider any deadly shooting justified, even if it’s of an armed individual engaged in a crime.
- justinzollars 4y agoDefund the police was the stupidest policy in American History and in future retrospectives will almost certainly reveal the Democrats lost congressional seats because of this very bad idea. Crime is exploding across the country, so much so its a top issue in polls [1]. Police violence is not a real concern. 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/18/white-house-democrats-must-listen-to-voters-on-crime/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/18/white-hou...
- notch656a 4y ago>Police violence is not a real concern. Please tell me this is sarcasm.
- justinzollars 4y agoIt does not appear in the polls as any top issue of any concern. Violence and Gun violence are examples of real issues Americans care about
- enragedcacti 4y agoas of 2020 48% of adults and 83% of black adults consider police violence to be an extremely/very serious issue https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-racial-injustice-politics-police-728b414b8742129329081f7092179d1f https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-racial-injust...
- gruez 4y ago>as of 2020 The GGP explicitly mentioned it's not an issue right now, and linked to a news story that was published in 2022.
- justinzollars 4y agoThat’s like asking is red very red? ask people to list their concerns. It won’t make any list.
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