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Companies break laws every minute. Basically every US company operating in the EU is breaking GDPR post-Privacy Shield right now: it's illegal to transfer data
by dannyw 4y ago
Companies break laws every minute. Basically every US company operating in the EU is breaking GDPR post-Privacy Shield right now: it's illegal to transfer data of EU residents to US data centers.
Oil and gas companies have been blatantly breaking laws for decades.
Volkswagen, along with a majority of car manufacturers have been cheating emissions testing for ages.
Big banks literally rigged LIBOR through intentionally lying about numbers and laughing and not a single executive is in jail.
- orzig 4y agoAgreed! And they should be held accountable too!
- asdfjkhasjkdfh 4y agoAnd they all set dangerous precedents, and now uber is setting yet another. And we all got dumber by taking the discussion to this direction. Enough defeatism.
- dylan604 4y agoTo add to that, it could also be inferred that the Ubers of the world are able to get to where they are from the numbing affect of all the previous evilCorps that came before creating the death from a thousand paper cuts scenario. They're just standing on the shoulders of evilCorpGiants?!
- monooso 4y agoI'm not sure what your point is. IIRC, Volkswagen were fined several billion, and a number of senior executives were charged.
- dannyw 4y agoMy point is that the precedent has already been set, and a company that essentially allowed people to transact freely (away from the taxi cartel and regulatory capture) isn't the straw that's going to break the camels back.
- Nextgrid 4y agoIMO there's a big difference between breaking the law to optimize some otherwise-legitimate activity and starting an entire business on something that (at least at the time) was illegal in most countries.
- rafale 4y agoI find what Volkswagen did worse. They polluted our air beyond the acceptable limit. On the other hand, Uber broke taxi laws that were anti-consumer anyway.
- r00fus 4y agoVolkswagen was the only one that was caught, you mean.
- ErikVandeWater 4y agoThey weren't the only one that was caught.
- dylan604 4y agoJust like SMU wasn't doing anything the other schools were not doing. They just got caught. It is an example of how using the extreme punishment had a much larger collateral damage blast radius than intended.
- runarberg 4y agoOhhh, they did a lot more then just braking taxi laws. According to this leak they engaged in illegal lobbying (which I would simply call bribery), and evidence tampering.
- Entinel 4y ago> Basically every US company operating in the EU is breaking GDPR post-Privacy Shield right now: it's illegal to transfer data of EU residents to US data centers. This is not true and the devil is in the details. It's illegal to transfer "personal data" of EU residents. The definition of personal data under the GDPR is what US companies would consider PII or personally identifiable information and not all companies collect PII. In fact, I would argue most companies go out of there way to not store PII.
- kenniskrag 4y ago> In fact, I would argue most companies go out of there way to not store PII. email address and ip is pii. So basically everything uses pii even if it is only for bot and ddos protection
- Entinel 4y agoNot all companies store IP addresses. Or email addresses for that matter. And whether or not an email is PII depends on a lot of factors for your company but alone an email address is not legally PII. >So basically everything uses pii even if it is only for bot and ddos protection If I use Cloudflare for example, as DDoS mitigation, I am not storing PII, Cloudflare is and thus Cloudflare has to deal with the legalities of that.
- mitjam 4y agoEven just transferring is not allowed without consent. And if you are the "controller" (ie. you are using Cloudflare to serve your customers) you would take the fine, not Cloudflare. And IP and email are PII.
- c2h5oh 4y agoMaybe it's time for mandatory penalty minimum set somewhere in the 3-100x profits made due to breaking the law. I'm tired of reading about how e.g. an investment fund settled for 100M with no admission of guilt after making a billion breaking the law.
- dannyw 4y agoThe people who write the laws and control who's in government are corrupt as hell.
- twblalock 4y agoThink about the collateral damage caused by killing companies that break the law: lots of people lose their jobs, and most of them had nothing to do with the illegal act. That's not justice.
- wyre 4y agoSo what’s the alternative?Corporations can’t keep getting away with this.
- thorncorona 4y agoAs bad as China’s politics is, their businesses bend the knee to the government.
- quickthrower2 4y agoSounds like “too big to fail” and a 2-tier justice system. Employ enough people, get immunity.
- riku_iki 4y agoThey may agreed on settlement because case and outcome was not that obvious.
- guerrilla 4y agoOr that the plaintiffs couldn't afford not to settle, more likely than not.
- melenaboija 4y agoWhat is the point of this? That new companies should be even smarter than the stablished ones and therefore try to game the system even more? Or that we should learn from them and try to improve the situation and make all of them follow the rules?
- ArrayBoundCheck 4y agoHis point was going after newer and smaller companies is a joke when larger companies are basically getting away with murder, or more accurately doing nearly the same thing you're punishing smaller companies for doing (at a larger scale)
- melenaboija 4y agoI still don’t understand the reasoning. The way to follow the rules is looking who is doing worst and take that as an upper bound?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> don’t understand the reasoning Prioritising limited enforcement resources based on harm minimisation.
- melenaboija 4y agoAs a citizen of a democratic country I still prefer the laws dictating what is harmful rather than a CEO and a member of the government unilaterally. And if something goes wrong use the tools from a democratic regime to change it. Even with its drawbacks democracies are the best system known to rule countries.
- ArrayBoundCheck 4y agoMore like it's pointless to say you can't do X behavior but someone else can You mostly need to outlaw all of it or someone will keep doing it. Going after smaller companies won't change anything
- blablabla123 4y ago> Basically every US company operating in the EU is breaking GDPR post-Privacy Shield right now No expert but in New Relic you can select in which data center your data should be. In fact many websites of US newspapers are not accessible from the EU. Just recently I had to order a gadget through reship.com because I couldn't buy it directly...
- guerrilla 4y agoYes, but why are you saying this? Because you think we should allow more of it? Or because you think we have fundamental problems we need to fix? Or some other reason?