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> anyone defending in this thread school closures is someone without children attending school Or like, not seeing everything as black and white. We had to do

> anyone defending in this thread school closures is someone without children attending school Or like, not seeing everything as black and white. We had to do something because the hospitals were overflowing. When all the hospital beds are full of old covid patients slowly dying, every other person who gets injured is receiving treatment on the floor in the hallway, or not at all. You can have all the nuanced discussion you want about the degree of which any of the controls were implemented, but your position cannot be that we should have done nothing. What should have happened is everything closes for 2 weeks, the virus dies, and we go back to normal. We should all know who fucked that up.

Markoff 4y ago
> What should have happened is everything closes for 2 weeks, the virus dies, and we go back to normal. We should all know who fucked that up. ROFL Yeah, that worked so great for China or for everyone since we had flu. Closing schools had no impact on virus, not saving hospitals from overflowing. Hospitals were not overflowing with school kids or their parents.
- imustbeevil 4y ago
  > Closing schools had no impact on virus This is what I mean by framing things as black and white. Why would you make such an incredible claim? How could you possibly support a claim that reducing community spread in schools (where children are around 50% as likely to spread the virus, not 0% [1]) has "zero impact" on community spread outside of schools? How could children at home equally spread covid to other childrens homes as if there were 30 of them wearing poorly fitting masks in a closed room? [1] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/we-now-know-how-much-children-spread-coronavirus https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/we-now-kn... > The role of young children in transmission seemed logical to some experts who have been tracking the evolution of the pandemic. “I think what was more surprising was how long the narrative persisted that children weren’t transmitting SARS-CoV-2,” said Sam Scarpino, PhD, managing director of pathogen surveillance at the Rockefeller Foundation. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210817/youngest-kids-more-likely-spread-covid-to-family https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210817/youngest-kids-more-... > Nearly 1 in 4 COVID-19 deaths (5868 [CI, 3584 to 8171]; 23.2%) was potentially attributable to hospitals strained by surging caseload. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34224257/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34224257/ I've been working remotely since the pandemic started. I haven't gotten sick once. Not a cold, flu, covid, strep, bronchitis, nothing, for two and a half years. You get sick from contact with sick people. Reducing your contact with all people reduces your contact with sick people, reducing your likelihood of getting sick, becoming a sick person, and making other people sick. You could, as many do, make the case that we don't need to reduce contact that much, and that closing schools costs more than it returns. You cannot make the case that closing schools does not reduce contact and spread of sickness and death.
  - Markoff 4y ago
    My kid was in quarantine like 5 times within 6 weeks, got tested twice a week and guess what, still whole class got it anyway while ruining their education and everybody was fine, it was just big waste of everyone's time - children, teachers and parents. I'm working from home for many years and guess what who had COVID first in our family, so much for anecdotal experiences. > You cannot make the case that closing schools does not reduce contact and spread of sickness and death. Obviously reducing contact reduces contact, but it doesn't mean in real life conditions it somehow reduces spread of sickness, that's just wishfull thinking of people admiring Chinese totalitarians, who implemented Chinese nonsense through this pandemic to democratic societies.
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Markoff 4y ago

> What should have happened is everything closes for 2 weeks, the virus dies, and we go back to normal. We should all know who fucked that up. ROFL Yeah, that worked so great for China or for everyone since we had flu. Closing schools had no impact on virus, not saving hospitals from overflowing. Hospitals were not overflowing with school kids or their parents.

imustbeevil 4y ago
> Closing schools had no impact on virus This is what I mean by framing things as black and white. Why would you make such an incredible claim? How could you possibly support a claim that reducing community spread in schools (where children are around 50% as likely to spread the virus, not 0% [1]) has "zero impact" on community spread outside of schools? How could children at home equally spread covid to other childrens homes as if there were 30 of them wearing poorly fitting masks in a closed room? [1] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/we-now-know-how-much-children-spread-coronavirus https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/we-now-kn... > The role of young children in transmission seemed logical to some experts who have been tracking the evolution of the pandemic. “I think what was more surprising was how long the narrative persisted that children weren’t transmitting SARS-CoV-2,” said Sam Scarpino, PhD, managing director of pathogen surveillance at the Rockefeller Foundation. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210817/youngest-kids-more-likely-spread-covid-to-family https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210817/youngest-kids-more-... > Nearly 1 in 4 COVID-19 deaths (5868 [CI, 3584 to 8171]; 23.2%) was potentially attributable to hospitals strained by surging caseload. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34224257/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34224257/ I've been working remotely since the pandemic started. I haven't gotten sick once. Not a cold, flu, covid, strep, bronchitis, nothing, for two and a half years. You get sick from contact with sick people. Reducing your contact with all people reduces your contact with sick people, reducing your likelihood of getting sick, becoming a sick person, and making other people sick. You could, as many do, make the case that we don't need to reduce contact that much, and that closing schools costs more than it returns. You cannot make the case that closing schools does not reduce contact and spread of sickness and death.
- Markoff 4y ago
  My kid was in quarantine like 5 times within 6 weeks, got tested twice a week and guess what, still whole class got it anyway while ruining their education and everybody was fine, it was just big waste of everyone's time - children, teachers and parents. I'm working from home for many years and guess what who had COVID first in our family, so much for anecdotal experiences. > You cannot make the case that closing schools does not reduce contact and spread of sickness and death. Obviously reducing contact reduces contact, but it doesn't mean in real life conditions it somehow reduces spread of sickness, that's just wishfull thinking of people admiring Chinese totalitarians, who implemented Chinese nonsense through this pandemic to democratic societies.
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