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> implying that they are bad people I don't know how you got the idea that I was implying people are "bad" for their lifestyle choices. I was talking about how

> implying that they are bad people I don't know how you got the idea that I was implying people are "bad" for their lifestyle choices. I was talking about how far away we are from widespread acceptance and realistic acknowledgement of the problem. When I see people acting like nothing is wrong, doing things that contribute to the problem, I do think that indicates a lack of acceptance and realization. Now I may be wrong. It could be possible that people are fully aware of the problem and are YOLO'ing their way through it. Or they share your opinion that nothing they do can materially affect the situation anyway, so they just go full throttle on carbon emission. But I suspect that for most people, that's not the case. I think that most people are unaware of the severity of the situation, and that if they were aware, they probably wouldn't be doing those things. Again, I could be completely wrong about what people know and how they would choose to behave. But at no point was I implying that there are good people and bad people and that personal carbon footprint is a decent way to measure that.

jltsiren 4y ago
People are generally aware that their actions contribute to climate change, unless they choose to deny it for ideological reasons. They are just unwilling to make lifestyle sacrifices because of it. Most people value their personal comfort and the comfort of their family above the (statistical) lives of strangers. You see exactly the same phenomenon every time a professional chooses to live in comfort instead of donating most of their income to charity. That's how people work, that's what they value, and that's why collective action is the only way of dealing with large-scale problems.
- TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
  The whole discussion of climate change is a living, breathing example of a 7-billion-person prisoner's dilemma.

jltsiren 4y ago

People are generally aware that their actions contribute to climate change, unless they choose to deny it for ideological reasons. They are just unwilling to make lifestyle sacrifices because of it. Most people value their personal comfort and the comfort of their family above the (statistical) lives of strangers. You see exactly the same phenomenon every time a professional chooses to live in comfort instead of donating most of their income to charity. That's how people work, that's what they value, and that's why collective action is the only way of dealing with large-scale problems.

TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
The whole discussion of climate change is a living, breathing example of a 7-billion-person prisoner's dilemma.