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> A properly functioning society does not sacrifice the future of its young to protect the old. Press X to doubt (the point being argued). Covid has affected

> A properly functioning society does not sacrifice the future of its young to protect the old. Press X to doubt (the point being argued). Covid has affected and killed enough "younger" people - by which I mean folks younger than 40. And not to forget long covid's disastrous effects on all ages. I agree that the entire situation could have been better managed (for example it took till December 2020 for the Dutch gov to mandate masks in public areas, the night curfew timings were odd), but I disagree that a proper thorough response wasn't required.

heurisko 4y ago
> Covid has affected and killed enough "younger" people - by which I mean folks younger than 40. And not to forget long covid's disastrous effects on all ages. I expect the number of younger people dying from missed cancer screenings etc. from Covid policies is higher. The rate of mental health referrals amongst young people also surged. https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/the-pandemic-has-driven-unprecedented-surge-in-demand-for-mental-health-services-for-children-and-young-people https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/the-pandemic-has-...
origin_path 4y ago
"Covid has affected and killed enough "younger" people - by which I mean folks younger than 40." If that were true, it would have happened everywhere. If we steelman the COVID policy case by looking at Sweden, which should theoretically be the worst hit place, what we see is that there was no excess death for under 75s in 2020. There have been many claims that COVID kills the young. But these claims must be exaggerated because it doesn't show up in the data, at least not for Europe. If we look at Euromomo, so incorporating countries with far harsher restrictions and worse healthcare systems, then we also cannot see any mortality under 40: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps The first age range where mortality is seen is 45-64 years. But even there, we are talking about a change from ~9k deaths a week (normal) to ~11k deaths a week in each wave, which for a place the size of Europe is hardly a crisis level change.
kcplate 4y ago
> Covid has affected and killed enough "younger" people - by which I mean folks younger than 40 After 27 months, I know of literally no one younger than 40 who was even hospitalized due to Covid-19. I know a total of 5 people who were briefly hospitalized from it, all older than 60. I know of (very elderly family members of acquaintances) 4 people who died from it. I live in an area where there are 3M people within a radius of 50 miles. We had no mask mandates, no lockdowns. I keep hearing how much Covid has affected/dangerous for the younger populace (necessity for vaccination, tele-education, school masking, etc…) but from my own experience, I didn’t see it.
- lores 4y ago
  You're posting on Hacker News, shouldn't you know basics of statistics or at the very least about anecdote vs data? I don't know anyone who voted Trump, does that mean no one did?
  - diogenes_of_ak 4y ago
    Man… I wish I lived where you live… wherever that is. That would be extremely hard to do here.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    If you can show me any data that shows that Covid was even remotely and possibly dangerous to healthy people under 40, I’ll listen. And by remotely and possibly dangerous, I mean more of a risk of death than any other possible event or disease that can happen to healthy people in that age group. But you can’t, because that data does not exist. Covid was simply not dangerous for healthy people under 40.
    - lores 4y ago
      I can't do that because you literally excluded any evidence that did not make it the number one cause of death. You're not arguing in good faith, so I'll leave you to it.
Markoff 4y ago
Ah yeah disastrous long COVID, I remember having it in mid 2010s... COVID killed pretty much NONE people under 40 unless they had other serious health issues, which were really cause of their death. Official Czech (11M population) gov stats for ALL people who were COVID POSITIVE when they died (it just means they died positive in those 2+ years, not that COVID caused their death): age group - total number 0–14 - 9 15–24 - 10 25–34 - 82 35–44 - 278 https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19/prehledy-khs https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19/prehledy-khs So massive number of deaths - 379 people younger than 44 in two years in 11M country who died while tested positive including (mostly) terminally ill patients, car accidents etc. You better don't wanna know how many people under 44 died from other causes in last two years.

heurisko 4y ago

> Covid has affected and killed enough "younger" people - by which I mean folks younger than 40. And not to forget long covid's disastrous effects on all ages. I expect the number of younger people dying from missed cancer screenings etc. from Covid policies is higher. The rate of mental health referrals amongst young people also surged. https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/the-pandemic-has-driven-unprecedented-surge-in-demand-for-mental-health-services-for-children-and-young-people https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/the-pandemic-has-...

origin_path 4y ago

"Covid has affected and killed enough "younger" people - by which I mean folks younger than 40." If that were true, it would have happened everywhere. If we steelman the COVID policy case by looking at Sweden, which should theoretically be the worst hit place, what we see is that there was no excess death for under 75s in 2020. There have been many claims that COVID kills the young. But these claims must be exaggerated because it doesn't show up in the data, at least not for Europe. If we look at Euromomo, so incorporating countries with far harsher restrictions and worse healthcare systems, then we also cannot see any mortality under 40: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps The first age range where mortality is seen is 45-64 years. But even there, we are talking about a change from ~9k deaths a week (normal) to ~11k deaths a week in each wave, which for a place the size of Europe is hardly a crisis level change.

kcplate 4y ago

> Covid has affected and killed enough "younger" people - by which I mean folks younger than 40 After 27 months, I know of literally no one younger than 40 who was even hospitalized due to Covid-19. I know a total of 5 people who were briefly hospitalized from it, all older than 60. I know of (very elderly family members of acquaintances) 4 people who died from it. I live in an area where there are 3M people within a radius of 50 miles. We had no mask mandates, no lockdowns. I keep hearing how much Covid has affected/dangerous for the younger populace (necessity for vaccination, tele-education, school masking, etc…) but from my own experience, I didn’t see it.

lores 4y ago
You're posting on Hacker News, shouldn't you know basics of statistics or at the very least about anecdote vs data? I don't know anyone who voted Trump, does that mean no one did?
- diogenes_of_ak 4y ago
  Man… I wish I lived where you live… wherever that is. That would be extremely hard to do here.
- kcplate 4y ago
  If you can show me any data that shows that Covid was even remotely and possibly dangerous to healthy people under 40, I’ll listen. And by remotely and possibly dangerous, I mean more of a risk of death than any other possible event or disease that can happen to healthy people in that age group. But you can’t, because that data does not exist. Covid was simply not dangerous for healthy people under 40.
  - lores 4y ago
    I can't do that because you literally excluded any evidence that did not make it the number one cause of death. You're not arguing in good faith, so I'll leave you to it.

Markoff 4y ago

Ah yeah disastrous long COVID, I remember having it in mid 2010s... COVID killed pretty much NONE people under 40 unless they had other serious health issues, which were really cause of their death. Official Czech (11M population) gov stats for ALL people who were COVID POSITIVE when they died (it just means they died positive in those 2+ years, not that COVID caused their death): age group - total number 0–14 - 9 15–24 - 10 25–34 - 82 35–44 - 278 https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19/prehledy-khs https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19/prehledy-khs So massive number of deaths - 379 people younger than 44 in two years in 11M country who died while tested positive including (mostly) terminally ill patients, car accidents etc. You better don't wanna know how many people under 44 died from other causes in last two years.