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>A properly functioning society does not sacrifice the future of its young to protect the old. That's not what happened. What actually happened is that we sacr

by D_Alex 4y ago

>A properly functioning society does not sacrifice the future of its young to protect the old. That's not what happened. What actually happened is that we sacrificed everyone's future for some short term "freedoms". Unless we find a proper vaccine, today's children will live their whole life with this disease. Spending an extra week sick each year, accumulating organ damage and maybe dying at the age of 50 after their twentieth bout of covid.

pantalaimon 4y ago
Is there anything to support this fearmongering? From all I’ve heard subsequent infections tend to be more benign - which is how the immune system usually works.
- D_Alex 4y ago
  - peteradio 4y ago
    "I don't think you can generalize [the study] to everybody, but really for people that have risk factors for severe disease," he says, because veterans tend to be older and have more health conditions." This is not a controlled study, its comparative across number of reinfections. There can be a correlation between overall health and ability to be reinfected. If your health is poor you will be overall more likely to experience death etc as well as symptomatic Covid infection.
    - D_Alex 4y ago
      >"I don't think you can generalize [the study] to everybody... because veterans... It would be weird if veterans were the opposite to everyone else though. >here can be a correlation between overall health and ability to be reinfected But the study is about the severity of reinfection rather than the frequency
      - peteradio 4y ago
        You are implying this study shows more reinfections causes rather than is merely coorelated with poor condition. Nothing wrong with doing the study but you can't just ignore confounders to the point you are attempting to drive.
  - pantalaimon 4y ago
    > heaps This is a single study involving elderly people with chronic conditions that got hospitalized. This will obviously inflict some selection bias
    - D_Alex 4y ago
      >This is a single study How many studies will convince you?
      - heurisko 4y ago
        The one study you cited didn't support your original claim > Unless we find a proper vaccine, today's children will live their whole life with this disease. Spending an extra week sick each year, accumulating organ damage and maybe dying at the age of 50 after their twentieth bout of covid. > He says the extra risks are more likely among the elderly, the immunocompromised, and people with other medical conditions.
bananapear 4y ago
You might find this interesting - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_pandemic#Coronavirus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_pandemic#Cor... The COVID-19 pandemic has so far followed a similar trajectory to the 1889 "Russian Flu", which some believe may have been the emergence of human coronavirus OC43 (now one of a number of endemic common-cold-causing coronaviruses).
- D_Alex 4y ago
  Maybe the disease will fade away, however world population now is four times that in 1890, and mobility is, I dunno, ten times higher? New variants are likely to arise and spread way faster - in the absence of control measures.
  - bananapear 4y ago
    Well, OC43 is still with us and those things haven’t happened. I can see why people worry about this stuff given the deluge of fear-based messaging we’ve been subjected to, but suspect that the reality is far more boring.
    - D_Alex 4y ago
      Deluge of fear based messaging, plus an equal and opposite deluge of hopium. 2020: "It's no more severe than a cold" 2021: "Coronaviruses do not mutate" and "You won't catch it more than once" 2022: "Viruses become less deadly over time... so if we just bear with it a bit longer..."
      - heurisko 4y ago
        > 2021: "Coronaviruses do not mutate" and "You won't catch it more than once" > 2022: "Viruses become less deadly over time... so if we just bear with it a bit longer..." I can't remember anyone saying that viruses don't mutate. And nobody is currently saying "bear with it a bit longer". The media has just moved onto Ukraine as the next crisis fit for news saturation. As long as healthcare systems are not being overwhelmed, there is no rationale for any further restrictions. We just accept it as part of this risk of living, like using motorways, which are one of the biggest killers amongst younger cohorts.

by D_Alex 4y ago

pantalaimon 4y ago

Is there anything to support this fearmongering? From all I’ve heard subsequent infections tend to be more benign - which is how the immune system usually works.

D_Alex 4y ago
- peteradio 4y ago
  "I don't think you can generalize [the study] to everybody, but really for people that have risk factors for severe disease," he says, because veterans tend to be older and have more health conditions." This is not a controlled study, its comparative across number of reinfections. There can be a correlation between overall health and ability to be reinfected. If your health is poor you will be overall more likely to experience death etc as well as symptomatic Covid infection.
  - D_Alex 4y ago
    >"I don't think you can generalize [the study] to everybody... because veterans... It would be weird if veterans were the opposite to everyone else though. >here can be a correlation between overall health and ability to be reinfected But the study is about the severity of reinfection rather than the frequency
    - peteradio 4y ago
      You are implying this study shows more reinfections causes rather than is merely coorelated with poor condition. Nothing wrong with doing the study but you can't just ignore confounders to the point you are attempting to drive.
- pantalaimon 4y ago
  > heaps This is a single study involving elderly people with chronic conditions that got hospitalized. This will obviously inflict some selection bias
  - D_Alex 4y ago
    >This is a single study How many studies will convince you?
    - heurisko 4y ago
      The one study you cited didn't support your original claim > Unless we find a proper vaccine, today's children will live their whole life with this disease. Spending an extra week sick each year, accumulating organ damage and maybe dying at the age of 50 after their twentieth bout of covid. > He says the extra risks are more likely among the elderly, the immunocompromised, and people with other medical conditions.

bananapear 4y ago

You might find this interesting - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_pandemic#Coronavirus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_pandemic#Cor... The COVID-19 pandemic has so far followed a similar trajectory to the 1889 "Russian Flu", which some believe may have been the emergence of human coronavirus OC43 (now one of a number of endemic common-cold-causing coronaviruses).

D_Alex 4y ago
Maybe the disease will fade away, however world population now is four times that in 1890, and mobility is, I dunno, ten times higher? New variants are likely to arise and spread way faster - in the absence of control measures.
- bananapear 4y ago
  Well, OC43 is still with us and those things haven’t happened. I can see why people worry about this stuff given the deluge of fear-based messaging we’ve been subjected to, but suspect that the reality is far more boring.
  - D_Alex 4y ago
    Deluge of fear based messaging, plus an equal and opposite deluge of hopium. 2020: "It's no more severe than a cold" 2021: "Coronaviruses do not mutate" and "You won't catch it more than once" 2022: "Viruses become less deadly over time... so if we just bear with it a bit longer..."
    - heurisko 4y ago
      > 2021: "Coronaviruses do not mutate" and "You won't catch it more than once" > 2022: "Viruses become less deadly over time... so if we just bear with it a bit longer..." I can't remember anyone saying that viruses don't mutate. And nobody is currently saying "bear with it a bit longer". The media has just moved onto Ukraine as the next crisis fit for news saturation. As long as healthcare systems are not being overwhelmed, there is no rationale for any further restrictions. We just accept it as part of this risk of living, like using motorways, which are one of the biggest killers amongst younger cohorts.