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> A properly functioning society does not sacrifice the future of its young to protect the old. Also why medicare is the US makes no sense to me.

refurb 4y ago
That’s seems extreme. Nothing wrong with providing medical care to the elderly.
- deleted 4y ago
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- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Something wrong with medical care for 80+ year olds being a political priority and ensuring every child gets a nutritious lunch at school not being a political priority. My grandpa got taxpayer funded dialysis at 95+ while I was offered defrosted cardboard pizza for lunch everyday, and would have had to pay for it.
  - Nullabillity 4y ago
    You can do both, it's not an either/or.
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    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      Maybe, maybe not. But it is clear which one has priority for US voters.
      - user_7832 4y ago
        > But it is clear which one has priority for US voters. Just would like to point out that older people tend to vote much more than younger folks.
  - beej71 4y ago
    This isn't surprising to me. Most old voters don't want to die broke on the street, and most younger people don't want to see their grandparents die broke on the street, either. As someone currently on the line between young and old, I get that.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
- iso1631 4y ago
  Everything wrong providing free medical care to old people who cost a fortune, but not young people who in aggregate cost hardly anything, but some will cost a fortune if they're unlucky
- mantas 4y ago
  Priorities. Modern medicine can do wonders, but it costs a fortune. Providing everyone with state-of-the-art solutions on time is difficult.
fortran77 4y ago
We also sacrificed the healthy-weight for the sake of those who chose an obese lifestyle. https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-de... Many mistakes were made with COVID response.
- ravenstine 4y ago
  What's alarming is how quickly it has become not politically correct to suggest that anything about obesity is unhealthy or undesirable. I'm not saying to go around shaming fat people, but there's a reality to obesity that we all (at least in the United States) have been increasingly in denial about. It's a marker for disease. That doesn't mean that all obese people have a related pathology, but metabolic pathologies correspond with obesity enough that people should be concerned. Part of the problem is that humans are short-sighted, and humans of modern technological society have an even shorter attention span, hence it's not obvious that the actions of today lead to problems of tomorrow. It might seem inconsequential to be obese today, but problems of varying degree are almost inevitable down the road. Maybe it's cardiovascular disease, or wear on joints, or cancer, or sleep apnea, or diabetes, or whatever. These things aren't trivial, but humans are mentally adaptable and can get used to anything, whether it's enslavement or the disrepair of their own bodies. It's been distressing to me when some individuals I know who have bought into fat-positivity have suggested that there's actually nothing wrong with being fat and that it's a "sliding-scale", as if obesity can only possibly be a bad thing at the point of immobility. In reality, any amount of obesity can be a sign of dysfunction. But to suggest this is now considered offensive by some, such to the point that the media won't touch it with a 10-foot pole and even many doctors have stopped taking the weight of their patients. If people are going to play the "if it just saves one life" card when it comes to measures against COVID, then they'd better fucking stop living in a fantasy land and consider whether the lack of health of the population is causing excess early death.
  - vharuck 4y ago
    As somebody who works in public health in the United States, I can guarantee that obesity is seen as an epidemic, tracked in the population with annual surveys, and targeted as a component of disease. Governmental and non-profit public health organizations spend lots of money and time fighting obesity. They'll never advertise programs as a way for somebody to stop being obese, because accusing your audience of a moral failing is just bad advertising.
jleyank 4y ago
Consider it a benefit for spending 40+ years working and providing the glue that held society together. Not everybody cashed out big time. You can always turn it down and pay for things yourself. Or, you can work to turn the us into a place similar to the rest of the world where there is less profit made from people’s health. I would think it useful to be a startup that didn’t have to worry about providing health insurance or for workers to know they don’t face disaster when laid off.

refurb 4y ago

That’s seems extreme. Nothing wrong with providing medical care to the elderly.

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lotsofpulp 4y ago
Something wrong with medical care for 80+ year olds being a political priority and ensuring every child gets a nutritious lunch at school not being a political priority. My grandpa got taxpayer funded dialysis at 95+ while I was offered defrosted cardboard pizza for lunch everyday, and would have had to pay for it.
- Nullabillity 4y ago
  You can do both, it's not an either/or.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Maybe, maybe not. But it is clear which one has priority for US voters.
    - user_7832 4y ago
      > But it is clear which one has priority for US voters. Just would like to point out that older people tend to vote much more than younger folks.
- beej71 4y ago
  This isn't surprising to me. Most old voters don't want to die broke on the street, and most younger people don't want to see their grandparents die broke on the street, either. As someone currently on the line between young and old, I get that.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
iso1631 4y ago
Everything wrong providing free medical care to old people who cost a fortune, but not young people who in aggregate cost hardly anything, but some will cost a fortune if they're unlucky
mantas 4y ago
Priorities. Modern medicine can do wonders, but it costs a fortune. Providing everyone with state-of-the-art solutions on time is difficult.

fortran77 4y ago

We also sacrificed the healthy-weight for the sake of those who chose an obese lifestyle. https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-de... Many mistakes were made with COVID response.

ravenstine 4y ago
What's alarming is how quickly it has become not politically correct to suggest that anything about obesity is unhealthy or undesirable. I'm not saying to go around shaming fat people, but there's a reality to obesity that we all (at least in the United States) have been increasingly in denial about. It's a marker for disease. That doesn't mean that all obese people have a related pathology, but metabolic pathologies correspond with obesity enough that people should be concerned. Part of the problem is that humans are short-sighted, and humans of modern technological society have an even shorter attention span, hence it's not obvious that the actions of today lead to problems of tomorrow. It might seem inconsequential to be obese today, but problems of varying degree are almost inevitable down the road. Maybe it's cardiovascular disease, or wear on joints, or cancer, or sleep apnea, or diabetes, or whatever. These things aren't trivial, but humans are mentally adaptable and can get used to anything, whether it's enslavement or the disrepair of their own bodies. It's been distressing to me when some individuals I know who have bought into fat-positivity have suggested that there's actually nothing wrong with being fat and that it's a "sliding-scale", as if obesity can only possibly be a bad thing at the point of immobility. In reality, any amount of obesity can be a sign of dysfunction. But to suggest this is now considered offensive by some, such to the point that the media won't touch it with a 10-foot pole and even many doctors have stopped taking the weight of their patients. If people are going to play the "if it just saves one life" card when it comes to measures against COVID, then they'd better fucking stop living in a fantasy land and consider whether the lack of health of the population is causing excess early death.
- vharuck 4y ago
  As somebody who works in public health in the United States, I can guarantee that obesity is seen as an epidemic, tracked in the population with annual surveys, and targeted as a component of disease. Governmental and non-profit public health organizations spend lots of money and time fighting obesity. They'll never advertise programs as a way for somebody to stop being obese, because accusing your audience of a moral failing is just bad advertising.

jleyank 4y ago

Consider it a benefit for spending 40+ years working and providing the glue that held society together. Not everybody cashed out big time. You can always turn it down and pay for things yourself. Or, you can work to turn the us into a place similar to the rest of the world where there is less profit made from people’s health. I would think it useful to be a startup that didn’t have to worry about providing health insurance or for workers to know they don’t face disaster when laid off.