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I know cars have many trackers and send your location to the manufacturer and sometimes your insurance too, but this is a whole new level, this is actively inte

I know cars have many trackers and send your location to the manufacturer and sometimes your insurance too, but this is a whole new level, this is actively intervening in how you use your own car. Also I don't understand what does this have to do with climate change?

gsnedders 4y ago
> Also I don't understand what does this have to do with climate change? The primary forces a car has to overcome are rolling resistance (proportional to the vehicles weight) and drag (proportional to speed). If you reduce the speed, you reduce the drag, and therefore you reduce the energy needed to maintain that speed (which decreases emissions directly in ICE vehicles, and indirectly in EV vehicles).
rahimnathwani 4y ago
Driving a given route at 80mph will use more fuel than driving the same route at 55mph.
- jacooper 4y ago
  Which can already be prevented using speed traps and speed limits.
  - rahimnathwani 4y ago
    Yes, I was responding to the last part of GP's comment ("Also I don't understand what does this have to do with climate change?"). Automated speed cameras seem like a better solution than additional complexity within cars.
nmehner 4y ago
> ... this is actively intervening in how you use your own car. Traffic laws already limit how you are allowed to use your own car. This just prevents you from breaking the law. Your freedom ends where the freedom of another person to live a safe life begins. > Also I don't understand what does this have to do with climate change? Speeding cars make it a lot more difficult for other means of transport to share the road. In Europe many urban areas are limited to 30km/h (19mph). This allows sharing the street with bicycles, pedestrians and playing children. Speeding cars (speed limits are often seen as minimum speeds) make this impossible. So the climate will come from people moving to other means of transport that are becoming viable and safe. Also public transport will be more attractive if taken a car takes longer. Europe tries to make its cities more live and loveable.
- saargrin 4y ago
  also the faster you go the more gas you burn per KM of distance https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-fuel-efficiency-of-vehicles-best-at-the-speed-of-45-kmph-to-55-kmph https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-fuel-efficiency-of-vehicles...
  - jacooper 4y ago
    Which has nothing to do with installing a part to limit how you drive your own car. This is an issue of enforcement, and has nothing to do with climate change.
- jacooper 4y ago
  > Traffic laws already limit how you are allowed to use your own car. This just prevents you from breaking the law. Your freedom ends where the freedom of another person to live a safe life begins. There is a difference between a part in the car to limit how you use your own Car, and a speed limit on the road. > Speeding cars make it a lot more difficult for other means of transport to share the road. In Europe many urban areas are limited to 30km/h (19mph). This allows sharing the street with bicycles, pedestrians and playing children. Speeding cars (speed limits are often seen as minimum speeds) make this impossible This is an issue of enforcement, and its not being fixed because the EU is lazy. Its as easy as installing speed traps and fines that hurt the drivers where it matters, the wallet.

gsnedders 4y ago

> Also I don't understand what does this have to do with climate change? The primary forces a car has to overcome are rolling resistance (proportional to the vehicles weight) and drag (proportional to speed). If you reduce the speed, you reduce the drag, and therefore you reduce the energy needed to maintain that speed (which decreases emissions directly in ICE vehicles, and indirectly in EV vehicles).

rahimnathwani 4y ago

Driving a given route at 80mph will use more fuel than driving the same route at 55mph.

jacooper 4y ago
Which can already be prevented using speed traps and speed limits.
- rahimnathwani 4y ago
  Yes, I was responding to the last part of GP's comment ("Also I don't understand what does this have to do with climate change?"). Automated speed cameras seem like a better solution than additional complexity within cars.

nmehner 4y ago

> ... this is actively intervening in how you use your own car. Traffic laws already limit how you are allowed to use your own car. This just prevents you from breaking the law. Your freedom ends where the freedom of another person to live a safe life begins. > Also I don't understand what does this have to do with climate change? Speeding cars make it a lot more difficult for other means of transport to share the road. In Europe many urban areas are limited to 30km/h (19mph). This allows sharing the street with bicycles, pedestrians and playing children. Speeding cars (speed limits are often seen as minimum speeds) make this impossible. So the climate will come from people moving to other means of transport that are becoming viable and safe. Also public transport will be more attractive if taken a car takes longer. Europe tries to make its cities more live and loveable.

saargrin 4y ago
also the faster you go the more gas you burn per KM of distance https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-fuel-efficiency-of-vehicles-best-at-the-speed-of-45-kmph-to-55-kmph https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-fuel-efficiency-of-vehicles...
- jacooper 4y ago
  Which has nothing to do with installing a part to limit how you drive your own car. This is an issue of enforcement, and has nothing to do with climate change.
jacooper 4y ago
> Traffic laws already limit how you are allowed to use your own car. This just prevents you from breaking the law. Your freedom ends where the freedom of another person to live a safe life begins. There is a difference between a part in the car to limit how you use your own Car, and a speed limit on the road. > Speeding cars make it a lot more difficult for other means of transport to share the road. In Europe many urban areas are limited to 30km/h (19mph). This allows sharing the street with bicycles, pedestrians and playing children. Speeding cars (speed limits are often seen as minimum speeds) make this impossible This is an issue of enforcement, and its not being fixed because the EU is lazy. Its as easy as installing speed traps and fines that hurt the drivers where it matters, the wallet.