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I don’t understand how shopify is predatory. Shopify isn’t a merchant processor, they don’t hold merchant funds. Stripe is the merchant processor for shopify

by adrr 4y ago

I don’t understand how shopify is predatory. Shopify isn’t a merchant processor, they don’t hold merchant funds. Stripe is the merchant processor for shopify payments. They are the ones that froze the payments. Freezing money has no benefit for Shopify.

tehwebguy 4y ago
Shopify has operated as their own payment processor for a few years.
- sarora27 4y ago
  Note: I work in the payments space. Shopify is one of Stripe's largest customers and a very heavy influencer of their roadmap (example: Stripe Treasury, BillPay (coming soon!), and more!)
- adrr 4y ago
  Not yet. Still stripe. I assume their eventually do it as they seek larger merchants that will require interchange plus billing and not blended.
  - freeone3000 4y ago
    ShopPay is 100% a thing.
    - beeandapenguin 4y ago
      Shop Pay by is powered by Stripe
    - adrr 4y ago
      Still uses stripe.
- ZephyrBlu 4y ago
  Shopify Payments is a Stripe wrapper.
- cardy31 4y ago
  Untrue. They use Stripe.
cheriot 4y ago
Hazard of white labelling. If shopify brands the product and sells the product, they own the outcome.
- Spivak 4y ago
  Yeah but some things pierce the white label veil. Grocery stores have been out of all sorts of products this year and the normal response isn’t “this is an outrageous failing of Kroger” it’s “Kroger isn’t able to source Wheat Thins because of various supply chain issues.” Same story with everything in the tech sector. If you went to McDonald’s and they couldn’t process your order because Visa banned you then that’s not really on them. Or in a more individual level you probably don’t get told “well you should have picked a better car supplier” when you call off work because your car breaks down. Customers are also pretty understanding when shows or channels get yanked due to contract disputes. The bigger issue seems to be that it wouldn’t have mattered who they went with and any financial institution would have yanked them after getting a chargeback from their bank.
  - cheriot 4y ago
    Kroger is clearly selling someone else's product in wheat thins. Visa is not McDonaldsPay. These examples are different from white labelling. On the other hand, this book store hired Shopify, via ShopPay, to handle payments. The good and the bad now belong to Shopify. (I'm not claiming to judge fault)
  - Brystephor 4y ago
    > Grocery stores have been out of all sorts of products this year and the normal response isn’t “this is an outrageous failing of Kroger” it’s “Kroger isn’t able to source Wheat Thins because of various supply chain issues.” There's a level of trust that you have to have with a service provider over something like a grocery store. If you're at a grocery store, and your card is declined due to Visa blocking you, you did not lose out on money. If you're selling things on Shopify, and have shipped orders that you're expecting Shopify to pay you for and they do not pay you, there is now a loss involved.
Brystephor 4y ago
I don't know how Shop Pay is engineered, but Shop Pay is Shopifys payment processing platform. I don't know if they're using another provider such as Stripe on the backend though or if they've gone through the PCI compliants. With that said, just because you're not the one processing payments doesn't mean you're not the one holding it.

by adrr 4y ago

tehwebguy 4y ago

Shopify has operated as their own payment processor for a few years.

sarora27 4y ago
Note: I work in the payments space. Shopify is one of Stripe's largest customers and a very heavy influencer of their roadmap (example: Stripe Treasury, BillPay (coming soon!), and more!)
adrr 4y ago
Not yet. Still stripe. I assume their eventually do it as they seek larger merchants that will require interchange plus billing and not blended.
- freeone3000 4y ago
  ShopPay is 100% a thing.
  - beeandapenguin 4y ago
    Shop Pay by is powered by Stripe
  - adrr 4y ago
    Still uses stripe.
ZephyrBlu 4y ago
Shopify Payments is a Stripe wrapper.
cardy31 4y ago
Untrue. They use Stripe.

cheriot 4y ago

Hazard of white labelling. If shopify brands the product and sells the product, they own the outcome.

Spivak 4y ago
Yeah but some things pierce the white label veil. Grocery stores have been out of all sorts of products this year and the normal response isn’t “this is an outrageous failing of Kroger” it’s “Kroger isn’t able to source Wheat Thins because of various supply chain issues.” Same story with everything in the tech sector. If you went to McDonald’s and they couldn’t process your order because Visa banned you then that’s not really on them. Or in a more individual level you probably don’t get told “well you should have picked a better car supplier” when you call off work because your car breaks down. Customers are also pretty understanding when shows or channels get yanked due to contract disputes. The bigger issue seems to be that it wouldn’t have mattered who they went with and any financial institution would have yanked them after getting a chargeback from their bank.
- cheriot 4y ago
  Kroger is clearly selling someone else's product in wheat thins. Visa is not McDonaldsPay. These examples are different from white labelling. On the other hand, this book store hired Shopify, via ShopPay, to handle payments. The good and the bad now belong to Shopify. (I'm not claiming to judge fault)
- Brystephor 4y ago
  > Grocery stores have been out of all sorts of products this year and the normal response isn’t “this is an outrageous failing of Kroger” it’s “Kroger isn’t able to source Wheat Thins because of various supply chain issues.” There's a level of trust that you have to have with a service provider over something like a grocery store. If you're at a grocery store, and your card is declined due to Visa blocking you, you did not lose out on money. If you're selling things on Shopify, and have shipped orders that you're expecting Shopify to pay you for and they do not pay you, there is now a loss involved.

Brystephor 4y ago

I don't know how Shop Pay is engineered, but Shop Pay is Shopifys payment processing platform. I don't know if they're using another provider such as Stripe on the backend though or if they've gone through the PCI compliants. With that said, just because you're not the one processing payments doesn't mean you're not the one holding it.