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The "cave diver paedophile" incident made it abundantly clear to everyone willing to see that whatever else he may be, Musk is a malicious clown. It was always

by roca 4y ago

The "cave diver paedophile" incident made it abundantly clear to everyone willing to see that whatever else he may be, Musk is a malicious clown. It was always only a matter of time before that had greater consequences.

RF_Savage 4y ago
Exactly this. The mask slipped for a moment.
loceng 4y ago
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- roca 4y ago
  Taking your version of events at face value: Musk hired a private investigator to dig up dirt on someone who merely criticized his rescue plan, received some lies from said investigator, and uncritically repeated them to his massive social media following, thus smearing the person concerned ... and this makes Musk a tireless advocate for the truth and social media sanity. Musk cultists are the worst. PS, if Musk can so easily be deceived into spreading false information --- even when he, so incredibly rich and smart, hired the source of the information --- why would you trust anything he says? EDIT: "Musk cultists are the worst" was out of line. I apologise.
  - loceng 4y ago
    - roca 4y ago
      So Musk was "too busy" to tell someone "do a background check on this guy" (who was a convicted felon, so not difficult), but not too busy to repeat his claims in emails to Buzzfeed etc. I'm not perfect, but at least I haven't tried to ruin someone by spreading lies about them to millions of Twitter followers.
    - dodobirdlord 4y ago
      > Don't you think someone guiding the development of companies like SpaceX, Tesla, and others, would invest more time into those - rather than say first doing a thorough background check first on a private investigator he newly hired? If you’re going to hire private investigators to dig up dirt on people who criticize you so that you can smear them to the public, you have a responsibility to be thorough, lest you defame them. It’s not as though Musk has to hire private investigators to smear his critics. If he’s too busy to meet the basic minimum responsibilities of human decency, he could just not hire private investigators to smear his critics.
    - maxbond 4y ago
      Saying "Musk cultists are the worst" was out of line. Otherwise what GP said was correct. If it helps, I don't think you're a cultist, I'm sure you aren't a stupid person either, but you have this totally backwards. I don't presume to know how that happened, other than that it's something that happens to everyone from time to time, myself included. This is a sincere, no judgement invitation to reconsider your position and realign with reality. People who care about free speech don't respond to criticism with left-field accusations - that's a diversionary tactic. People who make serious buyout offers aren't trying to insert weed jokes in there. Have you noticed how FSD is always one year off? And now out of left field, there's a robot coming that's one year off? Isn't it weird that, if this technology is in development, it had to be demoed by a dude in a suit? It's pretty obvious to me that FSD is way, way more than a year off, if Tesla ever achieves it at all, and that this robot is a last-minute fiction to cover up some weakness or perceived weakness of Tesla's position. Musk's basic tactic is a gish gallop. He's just throwing out so much vaguely futurist nonsense that some of it will strike you as brilliant. But it's the illusion of brilliance. There was a time when I found it compelling, too. The world is messed up, and at first glance, he looks like the only one who's proposing solutions that are sufficiently bold to tackle the problems. But they're hollow and meaningless. He never delivers. What he does deliver is nothing like what was promised.
  - maxbond 4y ago
    You would have had a really great comment if you hadn't signed off in a patronizing way. If you're trying to reach people, don't alienate them. If you just want to talk shit and don't want to reach people, please stop.
    - roca 4y ago
      You're right. My bad.
      - maxbond 4y ago
        Hey thanks for acknowledging. I struggle with this all the time and I don't always succeed either.
mlindner 4y ago
dehrmann 4y ago
At least a court decided Elon can say anything he wants because he's full of shit so often, he has no credibility.
phendrenad2 4y ago
Everyone has said something they don't mean out of spite. Politicians and billionaires are held to a higher standard by their fans/haters, but I really think they shouldn't be.
- roca 4y ago
  It wasn't just the original "pedo guy" comment. Musk also hired a private investigator to dig up dirt on his target. He tweeted more, and emailed a Buzzfeed reporter alleging his target was a child rapist. This wasn't just one moment of spite.
- morelisp 4y ago
  Yeah, whomst among us has not hired a PI to track down dirt on someone who called us dumb on Twitter then lied about our childhoods in court to avoid consequences?

by roca 4y ago

RF_Savage 4y ago

Exactly this. The mask slipped for a moment.

loceng 4y ago

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roca 4y ago
Taking your version of events at face value: Musk hired a private investigator to dig up dirt on someone who merely criticized his rescue plan, received some lies from said investigator, and uncritically repeated them to his massive social media following, thus smearing the person concerned ... and this makes Musk a tireless advocate for the truth and social media sanity. Musk cultists are the worst. PS, if Musk can so easily be deceived into spreading false information --- even when he, so incredibly rich and smart, hired the source of the information --- why would you trust anything he says? EDIT: "Musk cultists are the worst" was out of line. I apologise.
- loceng 4y ago
  - roca 4y ago
    So Musk was "too busy" to tell someone "do a background check on this guy" (who was a convicted felon, so not difficult), but not too busy to repeat his claims in emails to Buzzfeed etc. I'm not perfect, but at least I haven't tried to ruin someone by spreading lies about them to millions of Twitter followers.
  - dodobirdlord 4y ago
    > Don't you think someone guiding the development of companies like SpaceX, Tesla, and others, would invest more time into those - rather than say first doing a thorough background check first on a private investigator he newly hired? If you’re going to hire private investigators to dig up dirt on people who criticize you so that you can smear them to the public, you have a responsibility to be thorough, lest you defame them. It’s not as though Musk has to hire private investigators to smear his critics. If he’s too busy to meet the basic minimum responsibilities of human decency, he could just not hire private investigators to smear his critics.
  - maxbond 4y ago
    Saying "Musk cultists are the worst" was out of line. Otherwise what GP said was correct. If it helps, I don't think you're a cultist, I'm sure you aren't a stupid person either, but you have this totally backwards. I don't presume to know how that happened, other than that it's something that happens to everyone from time to time, myself included. This is a sincere, no judgement invitation to reconsider your position and realign with reality. People who care about free speech don't respond to criticism with left-field accusations - that's a diversionary tactic. People who make serious buyout offers aren't trying to insert weed jokes in there. Have you noticed how FSD is always one year off? And now out of left field, there's a robot coming that's one year off? Isn't it weird that, if this technology is in development, it had to be demoed by a dude in a suit? It's pretty obvious to me that FSD is way, way more than a year off, if Tesla ever achieves it at all, and that this robot is a last-minute fiction to cover up some weakness or perceived weakness of Tesla's position. Musk's basic tactic is a gish gallop. He's just throwing out so much vaguely futurist nonsense that some of it will strike you as brilliant. But it's the illusion of brilliance. There was a time when I found it compelling, too. The world is messed up, and at first glance, he looks like the only one who's proposing solutions that are sufficiently bold to tackle the problems. But they're hollow and meaningless. He never delivers. What he does deliver is nothing like what was promised.
- maxbond 4y ago
  You would have had a really great comment if you hadn't signed off in a patronizing way. If you're trying to reach people, don't alienate them. If you just want to talk shit and don't want to reach people, please stop.
  - roca 4y ago
    You're right. My bad.
    - maxbond 4y ago
      Hey thanks for acknowledging. I struggle with this all the time and I don't always succeed either.

mlindner 4y ago

dehrmann 4y ago

At least a court decided Elon can say anything he wants because he's full of shit so often, he has no credibility.

phendrenad2 4y ago

Everyone has said something they don't mean out of spite. Politicians and billionaires are held to a higher standard by their fans/haters, but I really think they shouldn't be.

roca 4y ago
It wasn't just the original "pedo guy" comment. Musk also hired a private investigator to dig up dirt on his target. He tweeted more, and emailed a Buzzfeed reporter alleging his target was a child rapist. This wasn't just one moment of spite.
morelisp 4y ago
Yeah, whomst among us has not hired a PI to track down dirt on someone who called us dumb on Twitter then lied about our childhoods in court to avoid consequences?