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Society loves to make fun of those who choose organic produce, but avoiding glysophate is the main reason I do so, and it works: > Organic diet intervention si

Society loves to make fun of those who choose organic produce, but avoiding glysophate is the main reason I do so, and it works: > Organic diet intervention significantly reduces urinary glyphosate levels in U.S. children and adults > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935120307933 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512...

tbrock 4y ago
There’s no question it would be better if it were true but how sure can we be that it’s not just the same food with different labels?
- kybishop 4y ago
  Because the FDA exists?? Because that would be fraud to claim otherwise, and fruit/veg sources are easily traceable back to their source, particularly at quantity?
  - tbrock 4y ago
    The FDA does not regulate the use of the term “organic” on food labels. Further, if something isn’t 100% organic how do you know which part isn’t?
  - classichasclass 4y ago
    USDA regulates that, at least for products with its seal. https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/organic/organic-seal https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/organic/organic-s...
    - kybishop 4y ago
      Thank you for the correction
harles 4y ago
I think organic is great. I just wish we didn’t put non-GMO in the same bucket. Give me GMO foods without pesticides.
- gnicholas 4y ago
  Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides? There are other ways to use GMO to make more productive crops, but my understanding was that one of the big reasons is that you can make crops that ignore pesticides that wipe out existing pests.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides? and diseases and parasites and weather etc etc
    - tomp 4y ago
      um... how do you think plants become tolerant to diseases and parasites? pesticides
      - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        and altering their DNA https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5422515/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5422515/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5488630/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5488630/
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    I'm not sure the relevance of this fact to the GP's request?
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ouid 4y ago
the pesticides used in organic farming are about as bad for you as the pesticides used in non organic farming, and used in higher quantities, since they are worse at being pesticides.
- EnKopVand 4y ago
  This is just blatantly false on every account. Especially the part where things like non-organic wheat are sprayed with weed-killer in the days before it's harvested because it increases the yield and protein as the wheat goes into turbo-mode because it knows it's dying.
JamesBarney 4y ago
But what does it do to the levels of organic pesticides?
- duncancarroll 4y ago
  This is a valid point; just because something is naturally-derived, doesn't make it safe. For example, permethrin is approved for organic use but it's also a neurotoxin: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5598406/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5598406/ Obviously the dosages are low in foods treated with it, but you're still ingesting a neurotoxin, yet the food can be legally labelled organic. My solution is to list the pesticides on the packaging like they do the nutritional content. Additional info here: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogsscientificamericancomscience-sushi20110718mythbusting-101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogs...

tbrock 4y ago

There’s no question it would be better if it were true but how sure can we be that it’s not just the same food with different labels?

kybishop 4y ago
Because the FDA exists?? Because that would be fraud to claim otherwise, and fruit/veg sources are easily traceable back to their source, particularly at quantity?
- tbrock 4y ago
  The FDA does not regulate the use of the term “organic” on food labels. Further, if something isn’t 100% organic how do you know which part isn’t?
- classichasclass 4y ago
  USDA regulates that, at least for products with its seal. https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/organic/organic-seal https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/organic/organic-s...
  - kybishop 4y ago
    Thank you for the correction

harles 4y ago

I think organic is great. I just wish we didn’t put non-GMO in the same bucket. Give me GMO foods without pesticides.

gnicholas 4y ago
Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides? There are other ways to use GMO to make more productive crops, but my understanding was that one of the big reasons is that you can make crops that ignore pesticides that wipe out existing pests.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides? and diseases and parasites and weather etc etc
  - tomp 4y ago
    um... how do you think plants become tolerant to diseases and parasites? pesticides
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      and altering their DNA https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5422515/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5422515/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5488630/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5488630/
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  I'm not sure the relevance of this fact to the GP's request?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
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ouid 4y ago

the pesticides used in organic farming are about as bad for you as the pesticides used in non organic farming, and used in higher quantities, since they are worse at being pesticides.

EnKopVand 4y ago
This is just blatantly false on every account. Especially the part where things like non-organic wheat are sprayed with weed-killer in the days before it's harvested because it increases the yield and protein as the wheat goes into turbo-mode because it knows it's dying.

JamesBarney 4y ago

But what does it do to the levels of organic pesticides?

duncancarroll 4y ago
This is a valid point; just because something is naturally-derived, doesn't make it safe. For example, permethrin is approved for organic use but it's also a neurotoxin: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5598406/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5598406/ Obviously the dosages are low in foods treated with it, but you're still ingesting a neurotoxin, yet the food can be legally labelled organic. My solution is to list the pesticides on the packaging like they do the nutritional content. Additional info here: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogsscientificamericancomscience-sushi20110718mythbusting-101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogs...