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> Fruits etc can easily ferment Replace “alcohol” with “alcohol from fermented fruit” > The material world explanation has zero edge cases it's completely sel

> Fruits etc can easily ferment Replace “alcohol” with “alcohol from fermented fruit” > The material world explanation has zero edge cases it's completely self consistent. The explanation of how consciousness arises from material world? Indulge me.

Retric 4y ago
> Replace “alcohol” with “alcohol from fermented fruit” That’s different, someone can be aware of fruit but not the alcohol within it. To assume they are interchangeable is it to make assumptions about what’s going on. > The explanation of how consciousness arises from material world? Consciousness is a product of the physical world. That's the theory and explanation.
- strogonoff 4y ago
  > That’s different, someone can be aware of fruit but not the alcohol within it. To assume they are interchangeable is it to make assumptions about what’s going on. I don’t follow. Perhaps you’re confusing awareness with consciousness. > Consciousness is a product of the physical world. That's the theory and explanation. Ladies and gentlemen, behold the sophistication of physicalist takes. The hard problem, solved right in front of our eyes.
  - Retric 4y ago
    > Perhaps you’re confusing awareness with consciousness. Nope, you are. Being conscious doesn't imply absolute awareness of everything. A conscious entity can do something without total to understand everything in all of existence across all space and time. If I make something without alcohol and by the time you drink it it has alcohol then how am I supposed to know you where going to wait/it’s delayed in the mail or whatever. > The hard problem, solved Why assume it’s a hard problem? If you ask what 1 + 1 is don’t expect a long answer.
    - strogonoff 4y ago
      > Being conscious doesn't imply absolute awareness of everything. Exactly… > If you ask 1 + 1 1 + 1 is operating well-defined terms, this is not.

Retric 4y ago

> Replace “alcohol” with “alcohol from fermented fruit” That’s different, someone can be aware of fruit but not the alcohol within it. To assume they are interchangeable is it to make assumptions about what’s going on. > The explanation of how consciousness arises from material world? Consciousness is a product of the physical world. That's the theory and explanation.

strogonoff 4y ago
> That’s different, someone can be aware of fruit but not the alcohol within it. To assume they are interchangeable is it to make assumptions about what’s going on. I don’t follow. Perhaps you’re confusing awareness with consciousness. > Consciousness is a product of the physical world. That's the theory and explanation. Ladies and gentlemen, behold the sophistication of physicalist takes. The hard problem, solved right in front of our eyes.
- Retric 4y ago
  > Perhaps you’re confusing awareness with consciousness. Nope, you are. Being conscious doesn't imply absolute awareness of everything. A conscious entity can do something without total to understand everything in all of existence across all space and time. If I make something without alcohol and by the time you drink it it has alcohol then how am I supposed to know you where going to wait/it’s delayed in the mail or whatever. > The hard problem, solved Why assume it’s a hard problem? If you ask what 1 + 1 is don’t expect a long answer.
  - strogonoff 4y ago
    > Being conscious doesn't imply absolute awareness of everything. Exactly… > If you ask 1 + 1 1 + 1 is operating well-defined terms, this is not.