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In a sense of here mister lobbyist this is a glass of perfectly safe glyphosate, drink it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA https://www.youtube.com/wa

by rasz 4y ago

In a sense of here mister lobbyist this is a glass of perfectly safe glyphosate, drink it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA

parineum 4y ago
Salt isn't a carcinogen but if you drink a glass of salt water you'll vomit.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
Mister organic farmer, here is a plate of cow manure, eat it.
- yasp 4y ago
  Safer than eating glyphosate (people actually do this).
  - raverbashing 4y ago
    "Safer" oh boy... That's why it's hard to take some "nature is perfect" people seriously (of course it's dose dependant, but don't eat manure. period) Here's a good writeup https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880910/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880910/
    - slowking2 4y ago
      Safer depends how much cow manure is eaten vs how much glyphosate. Although cow manure also has various microorganisms in it so if you got really unlucky with the wrong type of even one of those in the manure a little bit of shit could make you very sick (edit: as you point out, but my point is eating more shit exposes you to more of these on average). Don’t eat shit or drink 1000x or 1000000x doses of something that’s safe at 1x people. no idea where glyphosate exposure sits but even if it’s safe at normal exposure, don’t just drink it ok?
      - IncRnd 4y ago
        That's the point, though. From the article, the urine of 80% of the people was laced with glyphosate. It's not about a single ingestion but about it building up in the body.
        slowking2 4y ago
        Dose dependence is still a thing for long term exposure. There’s a lot of crap in urine. Knowing someone is pissing something doesn’t mean it’s toxic. We already know they’re exposed because they eat it. There is very little new information gained just by knowing people urinate it. You’d need to know how much of it they urinate compared to the amount they are exposed to and for how long to start figuring out if there is a long term build up. And even if there was no long term build up it may or may not be long term toxic. Like drinking alcohol. There is no long term build up of ethanol in the body but long term consumption of enough alcohol is still dangerous.
- krolden 4y ago
  That's stupid. But I will definitely drink some compost tea if it will shut you up.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    subgroup analysis showed that increase in consumption of three cups of black tea per day was a significant risk factor for breast cancer (RR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.05-1.32).
slowking2 4y ago
The dose makes the poison. It’s possible for a chemical to be perfectly safe if ingested in low quantities but dangerous in extremely high quantities. The duration of exposure for the same dose matters a lot too. Drinking glyphosate could be a much larger acute exposure so it’s perfectly reasonable to say it’s safe as normally used but not want to drink it. For example, you need trace amounts of copper to live, but very large doses can damage the liver. You’d need to take actual measurements to determine at what dose glyphosate becomes dangerous, and compare that to actual use. The whole “I could drink it” thing is just bullshitting, but so is the reverse.
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  I dare you to ingest small amount of Caesium-137 every day if you truly stand by your reasoning. I can argue with list of names of firemen that didn't die from radiation poisoning while putting off fire in Chernobyl.
  - anonuser123456 4y ago
    People already do take in small amounts of Caesium-137 every day and it is harmless. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2015934/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2015934/
  - slowking2 4y ago
    Different chemicals have different dangerous doses. What’s your point? I specifically said that I don’t know what the toxic dose of glyphosate is. My point is whether or not you can literally drink a highly concentrated version of it doesn’t tell you much.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  this is outdated thinking. LD50 is a measure of poison in testing, but since then it is acknowledged that there are cumulative over a lifetime effects, there are endocrine disrupting effects, and there may be effects from small doses that tip balancing systems in the body significantly.. those are from memory, not a specialist here.
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
olive oil is great and I could not live without it, but I would not drink a glass of it it for no reason!
- jancsika 4y ago
  If I got paid by Big Olive as a lobbyist I'd at least take a swig. (I believe that lobbyist made a claim about drinking a spoonful.) Then I'd probably cough and pivot to how to tell the difference between high quality olive oil and what the fraudsters are pushing. I'd celebrate the good work of my good friends at the California Olive Oil Council and many others to address the growing problem of fake olive oils. Let's protect our small olive farmers! In short: if I instead turned red, started freaking out and stormed out of the interview, it would probably be wise to stay away from olive oil until you figured out exactly what happened there. Edit: clarification
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    A spoon is good for your health, a glass will make you run to the toilet if not worse. It's also very hard to swallow even in modest quantities. Not surprisingly it was one of the most popular forms of punishment and humiliation fascist blackshirts used. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_oil#Punishment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_oil#Punishment

by rasz 4y ago

In a sense of here mister lobbyist this is a glass of perfectly safe glyphosate, drink it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA

parineum 4y ago

Salt isn't a carcinogen but if you drink a glass of salt water you'll vomit.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

Mister organic farmer, here is a plate of cow manure, eat it.

yasp 4y ago
Safer than eating glyphosate (people actually do this).
- raverbashing 4y ago
  "Safer" oh boy... That's why it's hard to take some "nature is perfect" people seriously (of course it's dose dependant, but don't eat manure. period) Here's a good writeup https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880910/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880910/
  - slowking2 4y ago
    Safer depends how much cow manure is eaten vs how much glyphosate. Although cow manure also has various microorganisms in it so if you got really unlucky with the wrong type of even one of those in the manure a little bit of shit could make you very sick (edit: as you point out, but my point is eating more shit exposes you to more of these on average). Don’t eat shit or drink 1000x or 1000000x doses of something that’s safe at 1x people. no idea where glyphosate exposure sits but even if it’s safe at normal exposure, don’t just drink it ok?
    - IncRnd 4y ago
      That's the point, though. From the article, the urine of 80% of the people was laced with glyphosate. It's not about a single ingestion but about it building up in the body.
      - slowking2 4y ago
        Dose dependence is still a thing for long term exposure. There’s a lot of crap in urine. Knowing someone is pissing something doesn’t mean it’s toxic. We already know they’re exposed because they eat it. There is very little new information gained just by knowing people urinate it. You’d need to know how much of it they urinate compared to the amount they are exposed to and for how long to start figuring out if there is a long term build up. And even if there was no long term build up it may or may not be long term toxic. Like drinking alcohol. There is no long term build up of ethanol in the body but long term consumption of enough alcohol is still dangerous.
krolden 4y ago
That's stupid. But I will definitely drink some compost tea if it will shut you up.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  subgroup analysis showed that increase in consumption of three cups of black tea per day was a significant risk factor for breast cancer (RR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.05-1.32).

slowking2 4y ago

The dose makes the poison. It’s possible for a chemical to be perfectly safe if ingested in low quantities but dangerous in extremely high quantities. The duration of exposure for the same dose matters a lot too. Drinking glyphosate could be a much larger acute exposure so it’s perfectly reasonable to say it’s safe as normally used but not want to drink it. For example, you need trace amounts of copper to live, but very large doses can damage the liver. You’d need to take actual measurements to determine at what dose glyphosate becomes dangerous, and compare that to actual use. The whole “I could drink it” thing is just bullshitting, but so is the reverse.

saiya-jin 4y ago
I dare you to ingest small amount of Caesium-137 every day if you truly stand by your reasoning. I can argue with list of names of firemen that didn't die from radiation poisoning while putting off fire in Chernobyl.
- anonuser123456 4y ago
  People already do take in small amounts of Caesium-137 every day and it is harmless. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2015934/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2015934/
- slowking2 4y ago
  Different chemicals have different dangerous doses. What’s your point? I specifically said that I don’t know what the toxic dose of glyphosate is. My point is whether or not you can literally drink a highly concentrated version of it doesn’t tell you much.
mistrial9 4y ago
this is outdated thinking. LD50 is a measure of poison in testing, but since then it is acknowledged that there are cumulative over a lifetime effects, there are endocrine disrupting effects, and there may be effects from small doses that tip balancing systems in the body significantly.. those are from memory, not a specialist here.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

olive oil is great and I could not live without it, but I would not drink a glass of it it for no reason!

jancsika 4y ago
If I got paid by Big Olive as a lobbyist I'd at least take a swig. (I believe that lobbyist made a claim about drinking a spoonful.) Then I'd probably cough and pivot to how to tell the difference between high quality olive oil and what the fraudsters are pushing. I'd celebrate the good work of my good friends at the California Olive Oil Council and many others to address the growing problem of fake olive oils. Let's protect our small olive farmers! In short: if I instead turned red, started freaking out and stormed out of the interview, it would probably be wise to stay away from olive oil until you figured out exactly what happened there. Edit: clarification
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  A spoon is good for your health, a glass will make you run to the toilet if not worse. It's also very hard to swallow even in modest quantities. Not surprisingly it was one of the most popular forms of punishment and humiliation fascist blackshirts used. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_oil#Punishment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_oil#Punishment