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Linux and its ecosystem is under the most aggressive EEE cycle from Microsoft in its history. Just look at wsl, github, python,...

tester756 4y ago
But let's be honest with yourself GitHub is incredibly good tool, unparalleled even.
- YakBizzarro 4y ago
  And so is wsl, they have good value. But it's undeniable that they are used as part of eee cycle
- rhabarba 4y ago
  GitHub is toxic though, it’s focused on social justice these days. Meritocracy is dying and everyone rejoices, probably because they can’t bring merits. Has GitHub stopped violating our licenses already? http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm
- ahartmetz 4y ago
  Not really. It's easy, but the feature set is rather limited compared to what KDE (the FOSS project I'm closest to) has.
- kfajdsl 4y ago
  5 years ago, sure, but GitLab?
pjmlp 4y ago
They learned from the community adoption of Apple products that the majority only cares about POSIX CLI and not really Linux as such. If they cared, they would be buying Linux OEM hardware instead of giving money to Apple.
burntoutfire 4y ago
Wait, what is MS doing with python?
- jwilk 4y ago
  Making it faster: https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/13/guido_van_rossum_cpython_3_11/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/13/guido_van_rossum_cpyt...
- Tijdreiziger 4y ago
  Perhaps they are referring to Pylance (Microsoft's proprietary Python tools for VS Code)? https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_developers_prevent_running_the_new/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_devel... IIRC there's a similar problem with VS Code's official C++ and C# tools.
wongarsu 4y ago
I would agree that the first two Es are happening. I'm just not sure how they would accomplish the Extinguish step from there. Microsoft's strategy as I interpret it is to embrace Linux as the server OS most will choose, but to stay relevant double down on providing the development and deployment experience. .NET Core makes their flagship backend framework available on Linux, and WSL makes that case easy to test from the comfort of your Windows computer, using Visual Studio. The same Visual Studio that just so happens to integrate well with MSSQL and Azure. If you aren't an enterprise, there is Visual Studio Code for the languages you like, with even bigger emphasis on making Linux development a smooth experience on a Windows computer, along with extensive Azure integrations if you want them.
- karmakaze 4y ago
  The third E seems to be evolving into coexisting directly into Profit. Decisions and investments made over time while using a cloud platform is its own stickiness.

tester756 4y ago

But let's be honest with yourself GitHub is incredibly good tool, unparalleled even.

YakBizzarro 4y ago
And so is wsl, they have good value. But it's undeniable that they are used as part of eee cycle
rhabarba 4y ago
GitHub is toxic though, it’s focused on social justice these days. Meritocracy is dying and everyone rejoices, probably because they can’t bring merits. Has GitHub stopped violating our licenses already? http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm
ahartmetz 4y ago
Not really. It's easy, but the feature set is rather limited compared to what KDE (the FOSS project I'm closest to) has.
kfajdsl 4y ago
5 years ago, sure, but GitLab?

pjmlp 4y ago

They learned from the community adoption of Apple products that the majority only cares about POSIX CLI and not really Linux as such. If they cared, they would be buying Linux OEM hardware instead of giving money to Apple.

burntoutfire 4y ago

Wait, what is MS doing with python?

jwilk 4y ago
Making it faster: https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/13/guido_van_rossum_cpython_3_11/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/13/guido_van_rossum_cpyt...
Tijdreiziger 4y ago
Perhaps they are referring to Pylance (Microsoft's proprietary Python tools for VS Code)? https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_developers_prevent_running_the_new/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_devel... IIRC there's a similar problem with VS Code's official C++ and C# tools.

wongarsu 4y ago

I would agree that the first two Es are happening. I'm just not sure how they would accomplish the Extinguish step from there. Microsoft's strategy as I interpret it is to embrace Linux as the server OS most will choose, but to stay relevant double down on providing the development and deployment experience. .NET Core makes their flagship backend framework available on Linux, and WSL makes that case easy to test from the comfort of your Windows computer, using Visual Studio. The same Visual Studio that just so happens to integrate well with MSSQL and Azure. If you aren't an enterprise, there is Visual Studio Code for the languages you like, with even bigger emphasis on making Linux development a smooth experience on a Windows computer, along with extensive Azure integrations if you want them.

karmakaze 4y ago
The third E seems to be evolving into coexisting directly into Profit. Decisions and investments made over time while using a cloud platform is its own stickiness.