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Except they are miles ahead in battery tech, autonomous driving, and supercharger rollout. I wouldn’t write them off just yet, they’ve got a lot more innovatio

Except they are miles ahead in battery tech, autonomous driving, and supercharger rollout. I wouldn’t write them off just yet, they’ve got a lot more innovation in their DNA than the old car makers

hef19898 4y ago
I don't write them off, by no means, even if I was sceptical a couple of years ago. Tesla will remain a car maker for sure. Battery tech, so, is mostly Panasonic. And other are catching up. Esentially, there are ICE makers that don't have the best engines. And lately I sae mucj more, relative, innovation and transformation cing from the likes of VW than from Tesla.
- cloutchaser 4y ago
  They are starting to dry roll batteries, technology which no one has achieved before. And many other production innovations. And that was over a year ago. They are most certainly miles ahead by now.
ModernMech 4y ago
> autonomous driving No they aren’t. Their sensor stack is handicapped and has literally murdered people. Sure they have “autonomous” cars in customer’s hands now, but that’s only because Musk is reckless, that doesn’t mean they are ahead. GM bought Cruise which I would say is definitely ahead of Tesla in their technology and ethics.
edgyquant 4y ago
This is rubbish and proven wrong. Tesla claimed to be years ahead, European Regulators beg to differ
freemint 4y ago
> Super charger rollout US only, Europe those super chargers are available for everyone. In some asia countries they are behind https://paultan.org/2022/05/13/tesla-open-to-idea-of-establishing-supercharger-network-in-malaysia-willing-to-discuss-further-mida/ https://paultan.org/2022/05/13/tesla-open-to-idea-of-establi... > Battery tech Yes, others are catching up or are competitive, differences are much smaller than expected improvement over next 10 years. https://insideevs.com/news/528346/ev-weight-per-battery-capacity/ https://insideevs.com/news/528346/ev-weight-per-battery-capa... > autonomous driving roll out only, performance of the rolled out solution is not so impressive. This is also because they use fewer sensors.

hef19898 4y ago

I don't write them off, by no means, even if I was sceptical a couple of years ago. Tesla will remain a car maker for sure. Battery tech, so, is mostly Panasonic. And other are catching up. Esentially, there are ICE makers that don't have the best engines. And lately I sae mucj more, relative, innovation and transformation cing from the likes of VW than from Tesla.

cloutchaser 4y ago
They are starting to dry roll batteries, technology which no one has achieved before. And many other production innovations. And that was over a year ago. They are most certainly miles ahead by now.

ModernMech 4y ago

> autonomous driving No they aren’t. Their sensor stack is handicapped and has literally murdered people. Sure they have “autonomous” cars in customer’s hands now, but that’s only because Musk is reckless, that doesn’t mean they are ahead. GM bought Cruise which I would say is definitely ahead of Tesla in their technology and ethics.

edgyquant 4y ago

This is rubbish and proven wrong. Tesla claimed to be years ahead, European Regulators beg to differ

freemint 4y ago

> Super charger rollout US only, Europe those super chargers are available for everyone. In some asia countries they are behind https://paultan.org/2022/05/13/tesla-open-to-idea-of-establishing-supercharger-network-in-malaysia-willing-to-discuss-further-mida/ https://paultan.org/2022/05/13/tesla-open-to-idea-of-establi... > Battery tech Yes, others are catching up or are competitive, differences are much smaller than expected improvement over next 10 years. https://insideevs.com/news/528346/ev-weight-per-battery-capacity/ https://insideevs.com/news/528346/ev-weight-per-battery-capa... > autonomous driving roll out only, performance of the rolled out solution is not so impressive. This is also because they use fewer sensors.