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Yes. Go watch a dozen or two of these videos, it's quite common for bystanders to interfere with police, endangering police, endangering themselves, and endange

Yes. Go watch a dozen or two of these videos, it's quite common for bystanders to interfere with police, endangering police, endangering themselves, and endangering other civilians in the area. WARNING videos on this channel frequently include violence either in aggression or in self defense, some resulting in the loss of life. https://www.youtube.com/c/DonutOperatorOfficial/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/DonutOperatorOfficial/videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw3F91w6D78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw3F91w6D78 here is a video of onlookers recording agitating one another, several of which are standing in the street and blocking police vehicles. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wdrhKzuys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wdrhKzuys here a man that had been harassing local businesses and patrons all day charges a guardsman (who's an off-duty police officer) and the crowd starts surrounding him, recording, shouting things, agitating, when another bystander jumps to the guardsman's defense and now you've got multiple hostile people getting more and more agitated while the guardsman waits for uniformed police to come take the guy that tried to assault him, tried to damage his car, was harassing others, etc. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H40vEOOs5z0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H40vEOOs5z0 here are protestors, standing around filming each other, assaulting a motorcycle officer on his motorcycle as he tries to drive away from them - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDwWSl-sVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDwWSl-sVE here officers try to restrain a felon, in felony possession of a firearm, that had tried to assault officers while a felon unlawfully possessing a firearm, as people surrounded them to hold their phones as close to them as possible to take footage, then as 3 of them try to subdue the suspect that continued, while armed, to try and resist then has to escalate to non-lethal violence of gasp punching the guy to try to get him to submit. At 3:42 an onlooker throws a full trash can at the officers that are actively trying to handcuff an ARMED FELON that is fighting tooth and nail to escape. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdFsumyHLXo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdFsumyHLXo guy on a roof of a business hops down, then retrieves a handgun and aims it at officers, the officers start issuing commands while a bystander walks into the officer's line of fire filming and occasionally shouting things (go to 4:20 and you can see them just right of 12 o'clock.) Etc.

woodruffw 4y ago
Individual cases notwithstanding (I think I could find ones where civilians used their cameras to save their lives), I think there’s a hefty dose of irony involved in citing video evidence of misbehavior to defend a law that would, in effect, prevent us from evaluating said behavior. In other words: you can link these because people recorded them. We then get to have a discussion about it. The application of this law would eliminate that, in many cases. Edit: I noticed that all of these videos are collections by the same guy. He’s a former cop and seems to relish in videos of the police cracking down on protestors, which makes me think that he’s unlikely to present a balanced view of how disruptive recording actually is, on average.
- ryanmercer 4y ago
  Self defense isn't "misbehavior", I assume you mean the punching one. An armed felon, that had threatened police, was actively resisting 3 police officers trying to put him in cuffs... are you saying you wouldn't have punched someone with a gun actively trying to fight you and several other armed officers?
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    “Misbehavior” was directed at the ostensible criminals here, not the cops. Although I suspect that the police made vanishingly little effort to de-escalate any of these situations.

woodruffw 4y ago

Individual cases notwithstanding (I think I could find ones where civilians used their cameras to save their lives), I think there’s a hefty dose of irony involved in citing video evidence of misbehavior to defend a law that would, in effect, prevent us from evaluating said behavior. In other words: you can link these because people recorded them. We then get to have a discussion about it. The application of this law would eliminate that, in many cases. Edit: I noticed that all of these videos are collections by the same guy. He’s a former cop and seems to relish in videos of the police cracking down on protestors, which makes me think that he’s unlikely to present a balanced view of how disruptive recording actually is, on average.

ryanmercer 4y ago
Self defense isn't "misbehavior", I assume you mean the punching one. An armed felon, that had threatened police, was actively resisting 3 police officers trying to put him in cuffs... are you saying you wouldn't have punched someone with a gun actively trying to fight you and several other armed officers?
- woodruffw 4y ago
  “Misbehavior” was directed at the ostensible criminals here, not the cops. Although I suspect that the police made vanishingly little effort to de-escalate any of these situations.