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I’m not sure I agree with that. I don’t think a good cop should have his pension harmed because a different cop in some other precinct did wrong. What I do thi

I’m not sure I agree with that. I don’t think a good cop should have his pension harmed because a different cop in some other precinct did wrong. What I do think is that bad cops should be fired and when they make egregious errors. An when they commit crimes (which they seem to do often and while on the job) they should go to jail. End qualified immunity.

feet 4y ago
>I don’t think a good cop should have his pension harmed because a different cop in some other precinct did wrong. I disagree. The silence of the so called good cops is acceptance of the bad behavior. If they don't report and if nothing is done then yes, take it from all of them. They're all part of the same system
- omniglottal 4y ago
  Someone posted something I disagree with, but you're operating in the "same system" as them and didn't stop them, so we'll just downvote you instead, cool?
  - feet 4y ago
    Pretty sure I speak up, check my comment history. Not to mention, police actively killing innocent people is way different than disagreeing on the internet. Are you seriously conflating those? Your example falls flat here https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whities-cavemen-vikings/ https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whitie...
thatguy0900 4y ago
We need those good cops to be actually saying something though. It's not like bad police operate in a vacuum, they go on patrols with the good cops. The good cops know all of the bad cops.
wonderwonder 4y ago
If a good cop watches a bad cop breaking the law or brutalizing someone and does not stop him then that is not a good cop. Using that standard you will quickly start running out of good cops. Search the internet there are hundreds of videos of cops just standing there watching another cop beat people. Even in the rare occasion where video forces the precinct to charge or suspended the violent cop the bystanders are unpunished. The George Floyd case is the only one I can think of where they were.
- SkipperCat 4y ago
  If a cop stood idly by and watched another cop brutalize someone, I would not call that person a good cop. Fire them. I'd fire a doctor who sat by and did nothing while a patient go into cardiac arrest. I'd fire a fireman who sat by and watched a house burn down without attempting to put it out. I'm fine with firing the lot of them. I'd honestly rather see mass firing than pension raids because when it comes down to it, we need those people to stop being cops. Hopefully that would increase recruiting and give people with better values into the system. Right now it feels like policing is family generational business.
LocalH 4y ago
In the US, being a "good cop" in this context is a career-ending move. People in power don't really like it when abuses of their power are exposed. The "thin blue line" and all. ACAB
sneak 4y ago
> I’m not sure I agree with that. I don’t think a good cop should have his pension harmed because a different cop in some other precinct did wrong. Quite the opposite. Police are paid tax money to enforce the law and prevent crime, regardless of perpetrator. If they can't do this, they don't deserve the money. They should be scrutinizing their own ranks first and foremost, as they are granted special privileges (i.e. weapons) that make breaking the law easier and more convenient.
- SkipperCat 4y ago
  I'd rather just see the bad cop be fired. I feel that if we were to penalize their pension fund, their union and local government would just find some back door to refund the money. Better to just terminate the bad cops and be done with them.
  - sneak 4y ago
    Uhh no, the penalty for breaking the law in our society is not "you lose your job". Please stop treating police as exempt from the law.
    - SkipperCat 4y ago
      If you look at the top of the thread, you'll see I said "when they commit crimes (which they seem to do often and while on the job) they should go to jail". But the debate is should there be collective punishment for bad cops or should they be terminated. I favor termination. One main reason I prefer terminating bad cops vs hitting their pensions is that bad behavior is less of a cost impact to the bad cop than losing their job. A cop does something wrong, maybe it will impact their retirement pension by a small percentage. That's not a big disincentive. Loosing their job, that's a big disincentive. Another way to go about this is to have cops purchase mandatory insurance. Any bad behavior would be paid by their insurance and if they make too big an error, they become un-insurable and thus can no longer be law enforcement.

feet 4y ago

>I don’t think a good cop should have his pension harmed because a different cop in some other precinct did wrong. I disagree. The silence of the so called good cops is acceptance of the bad behavior. If they don't report and if nothing is done then yes, take it from all of them. They're all part of the same system

omniglottal 4y ago
Someone posted something I disagree with, but you're operating in the "same system" as them and didn't stop them, so we'll just downvote you instead, cool?
- feet 4y ago
  Pretty sure I speak up, check my comment history. Not to mention, police actively killing innocent people is way different than disagreeing on the internet. Are you seriously conflating those? Your example falls flat here https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whities-cavemen-vikings/ https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whitie...

thatguy0900 4y ago

We need those good cops to be actually saying something though. It's not like bad police operate in a vacuum, they go on patrols with the good cops. The good cops know all of the bad cops.

wonderwonder 4y ago

If a good cop watches a bad cop breaking the law or brutalizing someone and does not stop him then that is not a good cop. Using that standard you will quickly start running out of good cops. Search the internet there are hundreds of videos of cops just standing there watching another cop beat people. Even in the rare occasion where video forces the precinct to charge or suspended the violent cop the bystanders are unpunished. The George Floyd case is the only one I can think of where they were.

SkipperCat 4y ago
If a cop stood idly by and watched another cop brutalize someone, I would not call that person a good cop. Fire them. I'd fire a doctor who sat by and did nothing while a patient go into cardiac arrest. I'd fire a fireman who sat by and watched a house burn down without attempting to put it out. I'm fine with firing the lot of them. I'd honestly rather see mass firing than pension raids because when it comes down to it, we need those people to stop being cops. Hopefully that would increase recruiting and give people with better values into the system. Right now it feels like policing is family generational business.

LocalH 4y ago

In the US, being a "good cop" in this context is a career-ending move. People in power don't really like it when abuses of their power are exposed. The "thin blue line" and all. ACAB

sneak 4y ago

> I’m not sure I agree with that. I don’t think a good cop should have his pension harmed because a different cop in some other precinct did wrong. Quite the opposite. Police are paid tax money to enforce the law and prevent crime, regardless of perpetrator. If they can't do this, they don't deserve the money. They should be scrutinizing their own ranks first and foremost, as they are granted special privileges (i.e. weapons) that make breaking the law easier and more convenient.

SkipperCat 4y ago
I'd rather just see the bad cop be fired. I feel that if we were to penalize their pension fund, their union and local government would just find some back door to refund the money. Better to just terminate the bad cops and be done with them.
- sneak 4y ago
  Uhh no, the penalty for breaking the law in our society is not "you lose your job". Please stop treating police as exempt from the law.
  - SkipperCat 4y ago
    If you look at the top of the thread, you'll see I said "when they commit crimes (which they seem to do often and while on the job) they should go to jail". But the debate is should there be collective punishment for bad cops or should they be terminated. I favor termination. One main reason I prefer terminating bad cops vs hitting their pensions is that bad behavior is less of a cost impact to the bad cop than losing their job. A cop does something wrong, maybe it will impact their retirement pension by a small percentage. That's not a big disincentive. Loosing their job, that's a big disincentive. Another way to go about this is to have cops purchase mandatory insurance. Any bad behavior would be paid by their insurance and if they make too big an error, they become un-insurable and thus can no longer be law enforcement.