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There are, but if you have to walk 5 minutes through tunnels up and down flights of stairs just to get out of the station, and then another 10 minutes to walk t

There are, but if you have to walk 5 minutes through tunnels up and down flights of stairs just to get out of the station, and then another 10 minutes to walk to whatever is actually of interest (since nice things don’t tend to be positioned right next to a noisy highway) then nobody is going to ever use that transit as a preferred mode of transportation. You’re adding 20-30 mins of misery to any transit experience. Even if LA is betting that the areas around stations will get developed because of the presence of the station, they put them in the middle of highways, which guarantees they can’t even develop on that land without destroying the highway or with some engineering heroics. So all in all, it’s a huge waste.

brnt 4y ago
A few minuten to exit the station and a 10 minute walk (who lives next to a station?) do not seem unusual or badly designed to me. Can you park your bike at the station?
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  that does soilund terrible. Look at london, there is a metro station right in front of the BigBen, and other landmarks.
  - brnt 4y ago
    Sure, it isn't ideal, but there is something in between dense urban PT and no PT at all: sprawl goes pretty well with (light) rail combined with busses or bikes.
    - presentation 4y ago
      Crappy PT means they won’t build good PT pretty much ever since they already made the bad capital investment. It’s like sealing the fate of LA to never have good PT.
      - brnt 4y ago
        It's the nature of the problem. In suburbia, station must be further away on average, the difference in density with a major inner city imposes that. A 15 main ride on each end is something that is nothing unusual here, and millions travel that way.
- presentation 4y ago
  You’re doing this wherever you arrive too, and then you’re doing it again when you return. It sucks, as someone who lives in a city that actually values transportation. So, how would you like it if I said that the nearest parking to both your home and your favorite store is a 15 minute journey away? And the whole time it’d be loud and annoying? Would you still drive there?
  - brnt 4y ago
    I'd take my bike. This is how a large fraction commute here in NL.
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    - presentation 4y ago
      You’ll bike to the station, then you’ll need to bring your bike on the train (not sure if they allow this) and then bike again at your destination (or they need to build out share bike infrastructure), and keep in mind that LA is bike theft central so you’ll need to seriously lock down your stuff (unlike the Netherlands or where I live, Japan), and keep in mind that the “highways” I’m referring to aren’t sensible European/Japanese sized highways, but instead 8 lane each way hellscapes. Add the fact that for much of the year it’s 35C+, people already think transit is bullshit there, you’re probably on the train for at least an hour since everything is so sprawled out and there’s no express trains, and like I mentioned, the stations are 100% of the time not even close to anything of interest - no thanks, I’ll stick with a sensibly designed system.

brnt 4y ago

A few minuten to exit the station and a 10 minute walk (who lives next to a station?) do not seem unusual or badly designed to me. Can you park your bike at the station?

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
that does soilund terrible. Look at london, there is a metro station right in front of the BigBen, and other landmarks.
- brnt 4y ago
  Sure, it isn't ideal, but there is something in between dense urban PT and no PT at all: sprawl goes pretty well with (light) rail combined with busses or bikes.
  - presentation 4y ago
    Crappy PT means they won’t build good PT pretty much ever since they already made the bad capital investment. It’s like sealing the fate of LA to never have good PT.
    - brnt 4y ago
      It's the nature of the problem. In suburbia, station must be further away on average, the difference in density with a major inner city imposes that. A 15 main ride on each end is something that is nothing unusual here, and millions travel that way.
presentation 4y ago
You’re doing this wherever you arrive too, and then you’re doing it again when you return. It sucks, as someone who lives in a city that actually values transportation. So, how would you like it if I said that the nearest parking to both your home and your favorite store is a 15 minute journey away? And the whole time it’d be loud and annoying? Would you still drive there?
- brnt 4y ago
  I'd take my bike. This is how a large fraction commute here in NL.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - presentation 4y ago
    You’ll bike to the station, then you’ll need to bring your bike on the train (not sure if they allow this) and then bike again at your destination (or they need to build out share bike infrastructure), and keep in mind that LA is bike theft central so you’ll need to seriously lock down your stuff (unlike the Netherlands or where I live, Japan), and keep in mind that the “highways” I’m referring to aren’t sensible European/Japanese sized highways, but instead 8 lane each way hellscapes. Add the fact that for much of the year it’s 35C+, people already think transit is bullshit there, you’re probably on the train for at least an hour since everything is so sprawled out and there’s no express trains, and like I mentioned, the stations are 100% of the time not even close to anything of interest - no thanks, I’ll stick with a sensibly designed system.