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> Bluetooth may work or not work In my 4yrs+ of using Linux, this has never been a problem for me. > Apps may be compatible or not with Wayland App developer

> Bluetooth may work or not work In my 4yrs+ of using Linux, this has never been a problem for me. > Apps may be compatible or not with Wayland App developer's fault. Besides xwayland bridges that gap. > Power consumption may not be efficient Use Wayland for GUI apps. Use more cli applications. > Computer may not resume from sleep This one I have to concede. It's been wonky but for me now seems reliably stable with my setup. > The browser may burn CPU when playing videos This one has been fixed recently. Chromium and Firefox already support hw video decode with Firefox set to make it the default configuration in FF 103. > clipboard not being always shared I don't know what your setup is but gnome's gpaste clipboard experience is 100x better than any OS I've used before. > file managers not sharing bookmarks data across them Have never come across this use case. Why would you expect this to be a feature? Even Windows doesn't support this feature when you swap file managers.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>Use Wayland for GUI apps. Use more cli applications. How about "the OS display server, composer and GUI and should be well interested in the OS and perfectly usable out fo the box for all use cases". My free time is precious and I don't want to play sysadmin on my home computer with Wayland and X11. Windows and MacOS have their display servers figured out for decades, so the user doesn't have to think about what a display server is, while Linux is still juggling 2 different ones both with their pros and cons depending on your apps and hardware, one or the other might or or it might not. I work in cybersecurity so everyone in the company is fluent in Linux which we use on a daily basis in various flavors both CLI and a few DEs, yet nearly all of use either Windows or Mac or both at home. Have a guess why that is.
- s_ting765 4y ago
  I suspect your colleagues prefer Windows & Mac over Linux not because of Wayland incompatibility but rather because the software selection is better covered over there. E.g gaming software generally targets Windows OS. It is no secret that Linux software has historically not been targeted at the masses. Add to that, developers who are not interested in publishing software on Linux platforms. You can see why the overall experience might not be that great on desktop Linux compared to Windows or Mac. Even though this might be changing as more users feel comfortable with Linux. IMO iOS, Windows, Linux all have their strengths and flaws; it would be wrong to compare them side-by-side.
pizza234 4y ago
This is a very uninformed opinion of how Linux works. I'll post a few random notions, because there's a bit too much to talk about. Linux has, because of legacy reasons, a more complex than required clipboard concept. Because of this, different apps may use it in different ways, and have unexpected behaviors. Some applications (I think, but not sure, Libreoffice) may lose the clipboard content when closed. The very fact that one needs clipboard managers to workaround the base clipboard behavior is proof that Linux's clipboard implementation is not working (from a user perspective). And beware that clipboard managers may have unintended security issues (I'm positive some do), ie. storing user data on disk (copying confidential information to the clipboard is inevitable, and you do the maths). Bluetooth has been historically broken. Bluez has been poorly implementend and documented. Here's an old post: http://www.bennybottema.com/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bluetooth-support-came-to-be http://www.bennybottema.com/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bl...; it's old, but the situation has been bad for a very long time. As of Jul/2022, at least some (potentially all) Ubuntu distros ship with a broken pulseaudio/bluetooth configuration by default; a bug has been opened for a couple of years, and has been ignored by Canonical. File managers depend on the graphic toolkits used. Applications that use different toolkits will display different file managers, and for example, they won't share bookmarks. This means that you open an application and bookmark a directory, then other applications, and the bookmark is not displayed. > Use Wayland for GUI apps. Use more cli applications. Telling the user to change applications because of problems of the operating system is nonsensical.
- s_ting765 4y ago
  Everything I shared is from my own personal experience with using desktop Linux. Obviously your experience is going to be different from mine, as that depends on what software we use and what distro we pick. That said. Bluetooth works as expected on my hardware. Clipboard sharing works as well, there was a time it was missing on gnome terminal but can't say am scratching my head about that one today. Can't say I've see folder bookmarking across different file managers, even on Windows. You have to point me to examples here. Telling a user how to reasonably fix a problem trump's whatever misconceptions you have about desktop Linux. They can always put Linux down and use whatever operating system works best for them, if they don't want to try alternative solutions.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>Use Wayland for GUI apps. Use more cli applications. How about "the OS display server, composer and GUI and should be well interested in the OS and perfectly usable out fo the box for all use cases". My free time is precious and I don't want to play sysadmin on my home computer with Wayland and X11. Windows and MacOS have their display servers figured out for decades, so the user doesn't have to think about what a display server is, while Linux is still juggling 2 different ones both with their pros and cons depending on your apps and hardware, one or the other might or or it might not. I work in cybersecurity so everyone in the company is fluent in Linux which we use on a daily basis in various flavors both CLI and a few DEs, yet nearly all of use either Windows or Mac or both at home. Have a guess why that is.

s_ting765 4y ago
I suspect your colleagues prefer Windows & Mac over Linux not because of Wayland incompatibility but rather because the software selection is better covered over there. E.g gaming software generally targets Windows OS. It is no secret that Linux software has historically not been targeted at the masses. Add to that, developers who are not interested in publishing software on Linux platforms. You can see why the overall experience might not be that great on desktop Linux compared to Windows or Mac. Even though this might be changing as more users feel comfortable with Linux. IMO iOS, Windows, Linux all have their strengths and flaws; it would be wrong to compare them side-by-side.

pizza234 4y ago

This is a very uninformed opinion of how Linux works. I'll post a few random notions, because there's a bit too much to talk about. Linux has, because of legacy reasons, a more complex than required clipboard concept. Because of this, different apps may use it in different ways, and have unexpected behaviors. Some applications (I think, but not sure, Libreoffice) may lose the clipboard content when closed. The very fact that one needs clipboard managers to workaround the base clipboard behavior is proof that Linux's clipboard implementation is not working (from a user perspective). And beware that clipboard managers may have unintended security issues (I'm positive some do), ie. storing user data on disk (copying confidential information to the clipboard is inevitable, and you do the maths). Bluetooth has been historically broken. Bluez has been poorly implementend and documented. Here's an old post: http://www.bennybottema.com/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bluetooth-support-came-to-be http://www.bennybottema.com/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bl...; it's old, but the situation has been bad for a very long time. As of Jul/2022, at least some (potentially all) Ubuntu distros ship with a broken pulseaudio/bluetooth configuration by default; a bug has been opened for a couple of years, and has been ignored by Canonical. File managers depend on the graphic toolkits used. Applications that use different toolkits will display different file managers, and for example, they won't share bookmarks. This means that you open an application and bookmark a directory, then other applications, and the bookmark is not displayed. > Use Wayland for GUI apps. Use more cli applications. Telling the user to change applications because of problems of the operating system is nonsensical.

s_ting765 4y ago
Everything I shared is from my own personal experience with using desktop Linux. Obviously your experience is going to be different from mine, as that depends on what software we use and what distro we pick. That said. Bluetooth works as expected on my hardware. Clipboard sharing works as well, there was a time it was missing on gnome terminal but can't say am scratching my head about that one today. Can't say I've see folder bookmarking across different file managers, even on Windows. You have to point me to examples here. Telling a user how to reasonably fix a problem trump's whatever misconceptions you have about desktop Linux. They can always put Linux down and use whatever operating system works best for them, if they don't want to try alternative solutions.