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Yes but Canada has none of the highs of America. If you want to change the world, America is one of the only places.

solardev 4y ago
Gosh, I wish I could trade places. If Canada would accept us as refugees, I'd move there in a heartbeat. Change the world? Lol, maybe if you're Bezos or Zuckerberg. The rest of us mostly just stifle under their iron boots. If you don't get shot first. IMO a country that prioritizes its average citizens over its uber-rich isn't mediocre, it's well-managed. America is a hellscape of greed and corruption. Guess the grass is always greener, huh?
- ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
  I am in the US. I spent a long time in Canada. The population of the US is huge. While the shootings I agree are egregious, in every other way the US is better. The average citizens in Canada have no upward mobility, no healthcare except for absolute emergencies and no bright hope for the future.
  - solardev 4y ago
    Why do Canadians have no healthcare? Isn't there a national system? > in every other way the US is better > The average citizens in Canada have no upward mobility > no bright hope for the future. This also applies to everyone I know in the US, aside from those working in tech =/ It is especially bad in rural areas.
    - ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
      No healthcare because every single doctor leaves for the US.
      - mthoms 4y ago
        Many do, yes. Many also return. Why are you insisting on using absolutes in your comments?
        ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
        Because I have friends who have been waiting for a stomach ultrasound for over 2 years now. Suffering in pain everyday. Since it's not an emergency, it's never scheduled. Absolutes are closer to the truth at the moment. Try getting a family doctor. You won't get one. Try going to emergency. You will wait for over a day. Try getting a passport. You will get one after 6 months.
        mthoms 4y ago
        If you have a friend who’s been waiting two years for an ultrasound, get them to contact a news outlet. It would be headline news and they would get in instantly. If a journalist confirms and publishes the story, I will donate US $1000 to the charity of your (or your friends) choosing. I’m absolutely serious and will post the receipt here. You won’t though… because you can’t. Because you made that up out of thin air. I’ve been to emergency over 20 times in my life (between myself and loved ones). I’ve never waited (or known anyone to wait) “for over a day”. You’re ridiculous. Come on. If you’re going to lie, at least make the lies believable.
  - mthoms 4y ago
    Sounds like you’ve got a bone to pick. Upward mobility in Canada is actually better than the US. Sources: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/07/01/has-the-american-dream-moved-to-canada/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/07... https://stonecenter.gc.cuny.edu/social-mobility-is-twice-as-great-in-canada-as-in-the-united-states/ https://stonecenter.gc.cuny.edu/social-mobility-is-twice-as-... https://www.oecd.org/social/broken-elevator-how-to-promote-social-mobility-9789264301085-en.htm https://www.oecd.org/social/broken-elevator-how-to-promote-s... Quote from above: > In comparison with traditional peer countries such as the United States or Great Britain, Canada displays a far less rigid class structure. The odds of moving from poverty to the middle class during an individual’s lifetime are twice as good for a Canadian as they are for an American. The fact that Canadians enjoy Scandinavian levels of equity without having to rely on Scandinavian levels of taxation or social conformity is further testament to the importance of Canada’s education, health care and welfare systems, as well as the country’s commitment to welcoming newcomers Your healthcare comment is also provable false. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/05/global-health-rankings/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/05/global-healt... https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2... Quote from above: > Key Findings: The top-performing countries overall are Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia. The United States ranks last overall, despite spending far more of its gross domestic product on health care. The U.S. ranks last on access to care, administrative efficiency, equity, and health care outcomes, but second on measures of care process Your comment: >[Canada has] no bright hope for the future. Seriously, what’s your agenda? Why are you spreading obvious lies and toxic nonsense? Sounds like you had a bad experience here and are keen to blame anything but yourself. Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty to criticize about Canada but you come across as extremely disingenuous. I wouldn’t disagree with the idea that opportunities (and even healthcare) are better for the highest earners (most HN users) but the evidence just doesn’t support your claims as general truths. It’s just not true.
    - ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
      Studies are false. I have stayed there and go back their frequently. I'm talking about ground reality.

Gosh, I wish I could trade places. If Canada would accept us as refugees, I'd move there in a heartbeat. Change the world? Lol, maybe if you're Bezos or Zuckerberg. The rest of us mostly just stifle under their iron boots. If you don't get shot first. IMO a country that prioritizes its average citizens over its uber-rich isn't mediocre, it's well-managed. America is a hellscape of greed and corruption. Guess the grass is always greener, huh?

ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
I am in the US. I spent a long time in Canada. The population of the US is huge. While the shootings I agree are egregious, in every other way the US is better. The average citizens in Canada have no upward mobility, no healthcare except for absolute emergencies and no bright hope for the future.
- solardev 4y ago
  Why do Canadians have no healthcare? Isn't there a national system? > in every other way the US is better > The average citizens in Canada have no upward mobility > no bright hope for the future. This also applies to everyone I know in the US, aside from those working in tech =/ It is especially bad in rural areas.
  - ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
    No healthcare because every single doctor leaves for the US.
    - mthoms 4y ago
      Many do, yes. Many also return. Why are you insisting on using absolutes in your comments?
      - ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
        Because I have friends who have been waiting for a stomach ultrasound for over 2 years now. Suffering in pain everyday. Since it's not an emergency, it's never scheduled. Absolutes are closer to the truth at the moment. Try getting a family doctor. You won't get one. Try going to emergency. You will wait for over a day. Try getting a passport. You will get one after 6 months.
        mthoms 4y ago
        If you have a friend who’s been waiting two years for an ultrasound, get them to contact a news outlet. It would be headline news and they would get in instantly. If a journalist confirms and publishes the story, I will donate US $1000 to the charity of your (or your friends) choosing. I’m absolutely serious and will post the receipt here. You won’t though… because you can’t. Because you made that up out of thin air. I’ve been to emergency over 20 times in my life (between myself and loved ones). I’ve never waited (or known anyone to wait) “for over a day”. You’re ridiculous. Come on. If you’re going to lie, at least make the lies believable.
- mthoms 4y ago
  Sounds like you’ve got a bone to pick. Upward mobility in Canada is actually better than the US. Sources: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/07/01/has-the-american-dream-moved-to-canada/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/07... https://stonecenter.gc.cuny.edu/social-mobility-is-twice-as-great-in-canada-as-in-the-united-states/ https://stonecenter.gc.cuny.edu/social-mobility-is-twice-as-... https://www.oecd.org/social/broken-elevator-how-to-promote-social-mobility-9789264301085-en.htm https://www.oecd.org/social/broken-elevator-how-to-promote-s... Quote from above: > In comparison with traditional peer countries such as the United States or Great Britain, Canada displays a far less rigid class structure. The odds of moving from poverty to the middle class during an individual’s lifetime are twice as good for a Canadian as they are for an American. The fact that Canadians enjoy Scandinavian levels of equity without having to rely on Scandinavian levels of taxation or social conformity is further testament to the importance of Canada’s education, health care and welfare systems, as well as the country’s commitment to welcoming newcomers Your healthcare comment is also provable false. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/05/global-health-rankings/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/05/global-healt... https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2... Quote from above: > Key Findings: The top-performing countries overall are Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia. The United States ranks last overall, despite spending far more of its gross domestic product on health care. The U.S. ranks last on access to care, administrative efficiency, equity, and health care outcomes, but second on measures of care process Your comment: >[Canada has] no bright hope for the future. Seriously, what’s your agenda? Why are you spreading obvious lies and toxic nonsense? Sounds like you had a bad experience here and are keen to blame anything but yourself. Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty to criticize about Canada but you come across as extremely disingenuous. I wouldn’t disagree with the idea that opportunities (and even healthcare) are better for the highest earners (most HN users) but the evidence just doesn’t support your claims as general truths. It’s just not true.
  - ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
    Studies are false. I have stayed there and go back their frequently. I'm talking about ground reality.