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This is literally the 'too big to fail' outcome. Boeing sucks. They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers. It's disappoint

by awill 4y ago

This is literally the 'too big to fail' outcome. Boeing sucks. They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers. It's disappointing that mess after mess they're not held accountable. I suppose on the one hand, the U.S. wants a competitor to AB. But, AB does need a competitor, right? It's not like it's a good thing if Boeing goes away and AB has no competition.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
>They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers. That certainly wasn't the case for the A380. A380 is my favorite plane to fly on, but Boeing beat them badly in market analysis. The company sank 25+ Billion in A380 development and cant even cover the cost of manufacture so they shut it down. AB also received 9 billion in EU government aid for the AB380. When it comes to too big to fail, it certainly goes both ways.
- jedberg 4y ago
  A real shame too, I love flying on the A380. It's so big it just slides through the air like butter, and the higher cabin pressurization makes you feel more alert when you arrive (plus the fact that you probably slept better since it wasn't bouncing around as much).
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    Agreed, it has some of the best business class layouts too. Unfortunately it can't land and be supported in most airports
  - metadat 4y ago
    Yes, flying first class or even coach in Emirates in an A380 was spectacular and a whole different experience than any other flying, full stop. I wish everyone could experience it.
- Markoff 4y ago
  they are bringing it back to service since air travel demand grown, not so sure about production
- t_mann 4y ago
  > The company sank 25+ Billion in A380 development and cant even cover the cost of manufacture so they shut it down Yes, and then they quickly pivoted to building the A320neo, and that one just flies without issues, because apparently they know how to build planes that conform to modern safety standards. If Boeing does go down, the US government would very quickly copy the French playbook of building massive state-backed enterprises that was also used to create Airbus. No serious competition for Airbus wouldn't be good for anyone, but it wouldn't come to that. That should not be the reason why Boeing is allowed to continue.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    It seems like you are saying the same thing as me except Boeing already is a massive state backed enterprise
    - t_mann 4y ago
      I guess, but I'd say Boeing needn't be too big to fail.
      - s1artibartfast 4y ago
        perhaps nothing should be too big to fail, including AB and Boeing. That said, the failure of either AB or Boeing would be a difficult transition and it would take several decades to have close to a replacement, if one can arise at all. Having a large domestic aircraft manufacture is not a given, and comes with a lot of economic and military advantages.
jlmorton 4y ago
Odd take given Boeing has the deeper order book.

by awill 4y ago

s1artibartfast 4y ago

>They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers. That certainly wasn't the case for the A380. A380 is my favorite plane to fly on, but Boeing beat them badly in market analysis. The company sank 25+ Billion in A380 development and cant even cover the cost of manufacture so they shut it down. AB also received 9 billion in EU government aid for the AB380. When it comes to too big to fail, it certainly goes both ways.

jedberg 4y ago
A real shame too, I love flying on the A380. It's so big it just slides through the air like butter, and the higher cabin pressurization makes you feel more alert when you arrive (plus the fact that you probably slept better since it wasn't bouncing around as much).
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  Agreed, it has some of the best business class layouts too. Unfortunately it can't land and be supported in most airports
- metadat 4y ago
  Yes, flying first class or even coach in Emirates in an A380 was spectacular and a whole different experience than any other flying, full stop. I wish everyone could experience it.
Markoff 4y ago
they are bringing it back to service since air travel demand grown, not so sure about production
t_mann 4y ago
> The company sank 25+ Billion in A380 development and cant even cover the cost of manufacture so they shut it down Yes, and then they quickly pivoted to building the A320neo, and that one just flies without issues, because apparently they know how to build planes that conform to modern safety standards. If Boeing does go down, the US government would very quickly copy the French playbook of building massive state-backed enterprises that was also used to create Airbus. No serious competition for Airbus wouldn't be good for anyone, but it wouldn't come to that. That should not be the reason why Boeing is allowed to continue.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  It seems like you are saying the same thing as me except Boeing already is a massive state backed enterprise
  - t_mann 4y ago
    I guess, but I'd say Boeing needn't be too big to fail.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      perhaps nothing should be too big to fail, including AB and Boeing. That said, the failure of either AB or Boeing would be a difficult transition and it would take several decades to have close to a replacement, if one can arise at all. Having a large domestic aircraft manufacture is not a given, and comes with a lot of economic and military advantages.

jlmorton 4y ago

Odd take given Boeing has the deeper order book.