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Linux desktop experience does suck, but, BUT, the powerful tools and applications more than make up for it. Desktop isn't unified (X11 or Wayland), libraries a

Linux desktop experience does suck, but, BUT, the powerful tools and applications more than make up for it. Desktop isn't unified (X11 or Wayland), libraries are not unified, the drivers/sound system isnt unified. Its basically a bunch of different flavors with issues that you are stuck with, locked in with. Google Android has the same binary blob hell for drivers. Chrome OS has some powerful containers (on supported hardware), unlocking more power. Ubuntu versions are tied to projects, so google and other corps make you use what version they want to dev on their platforms. Redhat has the same issue, killing off centos community releases for a streamed os platform. (Same as Suse) Arch at least tries to fit the need of letting you upgrade, but you still have the same issues with a unified platform, but provides the applications, some apps are stale but at least they exist in their community repos. WSL is really just a platform to allow you to take the power of the terminal to do so many powerful things, skipping the desktop, allowing a windows desktop that solves all the issues linux has. Pretty much, Windows with WSL, and Android emulation, you can do anything. The only pure linux I have at home now is pi machine, and I only use it as a console box. But I still play with Arch in vmware (vmware supports nested virtualization, virtualbox doesnt). Its amazing the power windows can unlock linux Now when the m2 mac mini's come out, I might just have to play with virtualized linux as a desktop. Gaming, android/streaming can fill the lack of games, just as you can do on linux.

OneHotEncoder 4y ago
From a Desktop perspective, Linux always has been, and, I suspect will remain, a ghetto.
- metadat 4y ago
  Compared to what? Nothing is more ghetto than $MS Windows, randomly breaking with updates and going slow performance.
kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
If Windows was so bereft of design flaws why couldn't they provide a superior terminal experience without inventing WSL?
- pjmlp 4y ago
  They did. PowerShell. WSL is for the folks that buy macOS instead of supporting Linux OEMs, because they couldn't care less and are happy witb whatever POSIX CLI they can get.
  - speed_spread 4y ago
    WSL is a godsend for Linux-inclined devs operating corporate laptops where Windows is mandated and filled with counterintrusion software up the wazoo.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Those corps also have Linux versions of the same software.
    - usr1106 4y ago
      I would never work for a company where I have to use a "corporate Windows" laptop. If management does not understand developer needs, working there is likely to be not pleasant in many aspects.
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        They understand the needs of Windows developers.
        usr1106 4y ago
        Even a Windows developer cannot use a typical locked-down enterprise PC. For many tasks you would need admin rights. I guess typically Windows developers solve in such company solve that by having 2 PCs. One official office PC and then one R&D PC which is not under control of corporate IT (depending on the company officially connected to non-intranet network zone or just completely secret form corporate IT). Of course for really hairy driver work you want to have a separate machine regardless of the OS. But for the last 15 years I have managed to do Linux development with having root access and still not breaking the office side of work. Although if you usea dd to write system images for embedded systems many times a day you are playing a bit with fire. Thought for a long time I should patch dd so it wouldn't overwrite anything bigger than 64GB. But nowadays we mostly have better firmware update methods, so dd is used rarely and my patch still unwritten...
goethes_kind 4y ago
>Linux desktop experience does suck There are sure a lot of improvements to be had, but I would literally go crazy if somebody took away my Linux distros and forced me to use literally anything else. Every other option on the market forces a completely different way of computing that is just ugly, inefficient, non-free and generally shit.
- nicce 4y ago
  Once I found i3/sway, my dreams came true. So much power and anything less feels useless and ugly. I get it that it takes some knowledge and tinkering and therefore is not for everyone, but now I would get crazy as well, if somebody takes them off.
  - omar_alt 4y ago
    i3 was pretty instant for me and made me go from casually using Linux at home to making Ubuntu 20 LTS a stable daily driver at work. I think I needed one tutorial to get my config and status bar then I was good to go. It took a little while longer to settle on a Tmux config but starting from scratch I very quickly got the most efficient workflow I have ever had.
  - feet 4y ago
    Same here, I now even use FancyWM on any windows machine I need to work on to try and replicate part of the experience. I can't image anything else besides running Linux as my base hosts. The flexibility, power, and clarity of underlying systems compared to something like windows is what I never want to lose
- miohtama 4y ago
  This might be correct for you, but incorrect for most of the people. Linux desktop experience may suck even if it does not suck for you particularly.
  - telesoft 4y ago
    Well it's true for me too. The first thing I do when I get a new laptop is try out windows (it's pre-installed) and of course I want to like it but it just doesn't compare to GNOME3... I always end up going back to Linux. And I have used both extensively and adapted to both work-flows and I'd say GNOME3 is superior once you adapt to it. No you don't need a minimize or maximize button, they are actually useless in the GNOME work-flow, and unnecessary on windows too.
ncmncm 4y ago
Linux desktop sucks, in absolute terms. Relatively, not. Windows desktop sucks. Mac desktop sucks. Chromebook sucks. Android sucks. Ipad sucks. Ios sucks. Our standards are just really, really low.
- imiric 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPRvc2UMeMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPRvc2UMeMI
- kaba0 4y ago
  PC desktops indeed suck, but I have much less problem with mobile OSs. Not sure whether it is due to the more modern OS, the reduced problem domain or the higher level OS-program interface.
avidphantasm 4y ago
I have been using Ubuntu on a new Dell work laptop for the past 6 weeks and have been pleasantly surprised. Everything basically works. My only complaint is that the machine fails to wake from closed lid sleep at least once per week. So my M1 Pro is by far my uptime champ for laptops (I sometimes go 30-40 days between reboots and it never crashes).
- kaba0 4y ago
  Anecdotal experience, my intel MacBook Pro also fails to wake up from closed lid from time to time..
  - avidphantasm 4y ago
    Yes, my wife’s Intel MacBook Pro does this. They are junk, especially when running Catalina. My theory is that the Intel models with T1/T2 controllers reached a point where they were too complex and difficult to keep stable.
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rascul 4y ago
> Linux desktop experience does suck Not for me. Blackbox on X11 is exactly what I need and want. Apps looking the same is not something I care about. > Redhat has the same issue, killing off centos community releases for a streamed os platform. (Same as Suse) What is this about Suse? I'm on openSUSE (Suse's community release) right now. 15.4 was just released.
jsemrau 4y ago
I am using Ubuntu as my main Desktop for the last 15 months and am much happier with it than 15+ years on the Mac. Virtual Desktops is really powerful to structure different workflows. Office can be covered entirely though online solutions. Yes, Gaming doesn't fly. But that also holds true for a Mac. Just get a PS5.
- drdec 4y ago
  > I am using Ubuntu as my main Desktop for the last 15 months and am much happier with it than 15+ years on the Mac But the million dollar question is, which desktop environment are you using?
  - jsemrau 4y ago
    I think it's Gnome. Haven't changed anything from the default install. And I think that further underlines my point. I installed it, liked it, and for me it works perfectly.
- MrDresden 4y ago
  Also a Ubuntu user here, and it has been my daily driver for the last 10 years. I ditched the M$ gaming partition in '19 and moved completely into Linux. Apart from occasional issues, it just works.
- mixedCase 4y ago
  > Yes, Gaming doesn't fly How? Most games work and they work great.
  - jsemrau 4y ago
    Could you expand what you mean here? If I open the Ubuntu App store there are some games, most are casual. Xonotic is one game that I tried and found impressive, but I am not much into FPS. Steam has Dota and Civ, but the selection is quite small compared to Windows.
    - 4y ago
pizza234 4y ago
Linux Desktop doesn't really suck anymore. Enough time passed that the experience of the high-level (ie. desktop) part of any distro is good enough*. Worst part of Linux is the death by a thousand paper cuts. Bluetooth may work or not work. Apps may be compatible or not with Wayland. Power consumption may not be efficient. Computer may not resume from sleep. The browser may burn CPU when playing videos. Etc.etc. Lots of stuff like this can happen, and I guess, anyone will experience one or two. I've been using Linux for a long time, and there is always something. Everything can be fixed with patience (and experience, that one may not have), but Linux is definitely an O/S that needs some work, once one goes past a casual use. Casual users may not notice. My favourite niggles: clipboard not being always shared, and file managers not sharing bookmarks data across them. These are definitely embarrassing.
- blooalien 4y ago
  > "Worst part of Linux is the death by a thousand paper cuts." Funny you should say this, because it's exactly that feeling that drove me away from Windows. For many years I tolerated Windows because "It's what everyone uses", but eventually there came a point where the "paper cuts" just added up to where I could no longer tolerate it. The annoyances and frustrations were bad enough that if I did not have Linux to fall back on, I would literally have given up computer work entirely.
  - DixieDev 4y ago
    This is my perspective too. Whenever I find myself having to use Windows (which these days is just for games with Windows-only anti-cheat), the annoyances feel so much more pronounced.
  - redeeman 4y ago
    especially funny is that an OS called "Windows" has a laughably crappy window manager. Having to move the mouse to the small titlebar to move a window? having to hit a corner or side very precisely to resize? You'd think no developer working on windows ever tried the damn thing.
the_af 4y ago
> Linux desktop experience does suck Hard disagree. I author multimedia documents, play AAA videogames (on Steam and GOG), watch videos, access my gadgets and devices, organize my ebooks collection, print documents on my wireless laser printer, etc. There's not much desktop Linux cannot easily accomplish for me. This "bad Linux desktop" meme needs to die.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
  A desktop is a million little transparent standard functionalities, you can list everything that works and I'll certainly celebrate it with you because it gets better every year and I love it, but hundreds of broken functionalities remain. Every time I install Linux there is something that doesn't work. As recently as last year it took me days to get the Wifi working because of driver problems. I still haven't got Bluetooth to work right on my current workstation. Similarly the USB file transfer UI is broken because the buffer size is too large and it's not been accounted for in the transfer completion calculation. It's a million things and pretty basic and essential ones. And it's impossible to debug, you have to spend 10 hours typing obscure commands because the Linux voodoo-priests have never heard of buttons and GUIs. It used to be that Windows worked for every standard small functionality. And on the rare occasions when you had a problem you would immediately know what part of the control panel or the registry to go to and fix it yourself. Occasionally you had to google and people would give you simple instructions to follow. That was before Microsoft ruined it, but my point is there was a clear difference between Linux and Windows and the best Linux distro did not come close to the level of UX that Windows did. It's not a fair comparison because Linux is so fragmented but to me it remains that the Linux desktop experience is broken in some way for many people who use it.
  - the_af 4y ago
    I don't disagree with the gist of your comment, but by that token, I don't remember Windows ever "just working" (especially not for games!), and neither does macOS... (The example I always give is that my wireless HP LaserJet printer works automagically with Ubuntu, but always gives trouble with macOS!) So... all desktops suck?
  - 4y ago
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
The Linux desktop is great because it doesn't make me feel like a rat in a maze. Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.
- ThrowawayR2 4y ago
  > "Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven." Ironically, that quote from Paradise Lost is spoken by the character Satan and is intended to deceive his fellow fallen angels into believing being condemned to Tartarus after losing their revolt isn't so bad, even though it is, quite literally, the depths of Hell. On the other hand, considering the topic, maybe it's rather apropos instead.
3836293648 4y ago
You obviously haven't used a recent Windows or Linux machine. Unless you need accessibility features GNOME is waaay better than Windows 11 in basically every way and I find GNOME unusable without a bunch of extensions. The current Windows 11 desktop is a catastrophe way worse than linux desktops
duckhelmet 4y ago
@IronWolve: "Linux desktop experience does suck .." Same ole same ole FUD .. it even does phones better than MICROS~1 PureOS – a pure Linux phone experience https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/pureos-mobile/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/pureos-mobile/
LAC-Tech 4y ago
Linux desktop experience is amazing. I feel crippled when I have to use mac or windows. (Though of course there is no universal desktop linux experience. That's kind of the point).
wly_cdgr 4y ago
So what you're saying is, Linux sucks?
motbus3 4y ago
what you mean binary hell?
matthews2 4y ago
> Desktop isn't unified (X11 or Wayland), libraries are not unified, the drivers/sound system isnt unified. Its basically a bunch of different flavors with issues that you are stuck with, locked in with. Why would it be unified? It's mostly a bazaar of software written by different people to scratch their own itches. > Redhat has the same issue, killing off centos community releases for a streamed os platform CentOS Stream is no different than enabling the debian-updates repository in Debian. Your system won't suddenly just start pulling in breaking changes.
fxtentacle 4y ago
In 2010, I would point at the little issues with Linux and advise people to use Windows instead. By now, Windows has gained so many issues that Linux is obviously superior. Like you press the start key, the Windows menu only halfway opens, your keystrokes go to nowhere, and then you're stuck with a crashed bar at the bottom of your screen. Or like you put your Surface Pro to sleep, but it disobeys you and checks for emails while it's in your backpack and out of wifi range. So you arrive at your destination with a hot brick of empty battery. Or like you're on a live show and then your system reboots for an Update that you can't cancel plus you loose all unsaved data in the process.
imetatroll 4y ago
Someone has clearly never tried xmonad.
_xerces_ 4y ago
>Pretty much, Windows with WSL, and Android emulation, you can do anything. Unfortunately, they haven't figured out hardware access in WSL2 so doing stuff with serial ports and the like is impossible or requires annoying workarounds like creating network tunnels and connecting them to a pts using socat. In WSL1 you did have access to Windows COM ports.

OneHotEncoder 4y ago

From a Desktop perspective, Linux always has been, and, I suspect will remain, a ghetto.

metadat 4y ago
Compared to what? Nothing is more ghetto than $MS Windows, randomly breaking with updates and going slow performance.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago

If Windows was so bereft of design flaws why couldn't they provide a superior terminal experience without inventing WSL?

pjmlp 4y ago
They did. PowerShell. WSL is for the folks that buy macOS instead of supporting Linux OEMs, because they couldn't care less and are happy witb whatever POSIX CLI they can get.
- speed_spread 4y ago
  WSL is a godsend for Linux-inclined devs operating corporate laptops where Windows is mandated and filled with counterintrusion software up the wazoo.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Those corps also have Linux versions of the same software.
  - usr1106 4y ago
    I would never work for a company where I have to use a "corporate Windows" laptop. If management does not understand developer needs, working there is likely to be not pleasant in many aspects.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      They understand the needs of Windows developers.
      - usr1106 4y ago
        Even a Windows developer cannot use a typical locked-down enterprise PC. For many tasks you would need admin rights. I guess typically Windows developers solve in such company solve that by having 2 PCs. One official office PC and then one R&D PC which is not under control of corporate IT (depending on the company officially connected to non-intranet network zone or just completely secret form corporate IT). Of course for really hairy driver work you want to have a separate machine regardless of the OS. But for the last 15 years I have managed to do Linux development with having root access and still not breaking the office side of work. Although if you usea dd to write system images for embedded systems many times a day you are playing a bit with fire. Thought for a long time I should patch dd so it wouldn't overwrite anything bigger than 64GB. But nowadays we mostly have better firmware update methods, so dd is used rarely and my patch still unwritten...

goethes_kind 4y ago

>Linux desktop experience does suck There are sure a lot of improvements to be had, but I would literally go crazy if somebody took away my Linux distros and forced me to use literally anything else. Every other option on the market forces a completely different way of computing that is just ugly, inefficient, non-free and generally shit.

nicce 4y ago
Once I found i3/sway, my dreams came true. So much power and anything less feels useless and ugly. I get it that it takes some knowledge and tinkering and therefore is not for everyone, but now I would get crazy as well, if somebody takes them off.
- omar_alt 4y ago
  i3 was pretty instant for me and made me go from casually using Linux at home to making Ubuntu 20 LTS a stable daily driver at work. I think I needed one tutorial to get my config and status bar then I was good to go. It took a little while longer to settle on a Tmux config but starting from scratch I very quickly got the most efficient workflow I have ever had.
- feet 4y ago
  Same here, I now even use FancyWM on any windows machine I need to work on to try and replicate part of the experience. I can't image anything else besides running Linux as my base hosts. The flexibility, power, and clarity of underlying systems compared to something like windows is what I never want to lose
miohtama 4y ago
This might be correct for you, but incorrect for most of the people. Linux desktop experience may suck even if it does not suck for you particularly.
- telesoft 4y ago
  Well it's true for me too. The first thing I do when I get a new laptop is try out windows (it's pre-installed) and of course I want to like it but it just doesn't compare to GNOME3... I always end up going back to Linux. And I have used both extensively and adapted to both work-flows and I'd say GNOME3 is superior once you adapt to it. No you don't need a minimize or maximize button, they are actually useless in the GNOME work-flow, and unnecessary on windows too.

ncmncm 4y ago

Linux desktop sucks, in absolute terms. Relatively, not. Windows desktop sucks. Mac desktop sucks. Chromebook sucks. Android sucks. Ipad sucks. Ios sucks. Our standards are just really, really low.

imiric 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPRvc2UMeMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPRvc2UMeMI
kaba0 4y ago
PC desktops indeed suck, but I have much less problem with mobile OSs. Not sure whether it is due to the more modern OS, the reduced problem domain or the higher level OS-program interface.

avidphantasm 4y ago

I have been using Ubuntu on a new Dell work laptop for the past 6 weeks and have been pleasantly surprised. Everything basically works. My only complaint is that the machine fails to wake from closed lid sleep at least once per week. So my M1 Pro is by far my uptime champ for laptops (I sometimes go 30-40 days between reboots and it never crashes).

kaba0 4y ago
Anecdotal experience, my intel MacBook Pro also fails to wake up from closed lid from time to time..
- avidphantasm 4y ago
  Yes, my wife’s Intel MacBook Pro does this. They are junk, especially when running Catalina. My theory is that the Intel models with T1/T2 controllers reached a point where they were too complex and difficult to keep stable.

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rascul 4y ago

> Linux desktop experience does suck Not for me. Blackbox on X11 is exactly what I need and want. Apps looking the same is not something I care about. > Redhat has the same issue, killing off centos community releases for a streamed os platform. (Same as Suse) What is this about Suse? I'm on openSUSE (Suse's community release) right now. 15.4 was just released.

jsemrau 4y ago

I am using Ubuntu as my main Desktop for the last 15 months and am much happier with it than 15+ years on the Mac. Virtual Desktops is really powerful to structure different workflows. Office can be covered entirely though online solutions. Yes, Gaming doesn't fly. But that also holds true for a Mac. Just get a PS5.

drdec 4y ago
> I am using Ubuntu as my main Desktop for the last 15 months and am much happier with it than 15+ years on the Mac But the million dollar question is, which desktop environment are you using?
- jsemrau 4y ago
  I think it's Gnome. Haven't changed anything from the default install. And I think that further underlines my point. I installed it, liked it, and for me it works perfectly.
MrDresden 4y ago
Also a Ubuntu user here, and it has been my daily driver for the last 10 years. I ditched the M$ gaming partition in '19 and moved completely into Linux. Apart from occasional issues, it just works.
mixedCase 4y ago
> Yes, Gaming doesn't fly How? Most games work and they work great.
- jsemrau 4y ago
  Could you expand what you mean here? If I open the Ubuntu App store there are some games, most are casual. Xonotic is one game that I tried and found impressive, but I am not much into FPS. Steam has Dota and Civ, but the selection is quite small compared to Windows.
  - 4y ago

pizza234 4y ago

Linux Desktop doesn't really suck anymore. Enough time passed that the experience of the high-level (ie. desktop) part of any distro is good enough*. Worst part of Linux is the death by a thousand paper cuts. Bluetooth may work or not work. Apps may be compatible or not with Wayland. Power consumption may not be efficient. Computer may not resume from sleep. The browser may burn CPU when playing videos. Etc.etc. Lots of stuff like this can happen, and I guess, anyone will experience one or two. I've been using Linux for a long time, and there is always something. Everything can be fixed with patience (and experience, that one may not have), but Linux is definitely an O/S that needs some work, once one goes past a casual use. Casual users may not notice. My favourite niggles: clipboard not being always shared, and file managers not sharing bookmarks data across them. These are definitely embarrassing.

blooalien 4y ago
> "Worst part of Linux is the death by a thousand paper cuts." Funny you should say this, because it's exactly that feeling that drove me away from Windows. For many years I tolerated Windows because "It's what everyone uses", but eventually there came a point where the "paper cuts" just added up to where I could no longer tolerate it. The annoyances and frustrations were bad enough that if I did not have Linux to fall back on, I would literally have given up computer work entirely.
- DixieDev 4y ago
  This is my perspective too. Whenever I find myself having to use Windows (which these days is just for games with Windows-only anti-cheat), the annoyances feel so much more pronounced.
- redeeman 4y ago
  especially funny is that an OS called "Windows" has a laughably crappy window manager. Having to move the mouse to the small titlebar to move a window? having to hit a corner or side very precisely to resize? You'd think no developer working on windows ever tried the damn thing.

the_af 4y ago

> Linux desktop experience does suck Hard disagree. I author multimedia documents, play AAA videogames (on Steam and GOG), watch videos, access my gadgets and devices, organize my ebooks collection, print documents on my wireless laser printer, etc. There's not much desktop Linux cannot easily accomplish for me. This "bad Linux desktop" meme needs to die.

ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
A desktop is a million little transparent standard functionalities, you can list everything that works and I'll certainly celebrate it with you because it gets better every year and I love it, but hundreds of broken functionalities remain. Every time I install Linux there is something that doesn't work. As recently as last year it took me days to get the Wifi working because of driver problems. I still haven't got Bluetooth to work right on my current workstation. Similarly the USB file transfer UI is broken because the buffer size is too large and it's not been accounted for in the transfer completion calculation. It's a million things and pretty basic and essential ones. And it's impossible to debug, you have to spend 10 hours typing obscure commands because the Linux voodoo-priests have never heard of buttons and GUIs. It used to be that Windows worked for every standard small functionality. And on the rare occasions when you had a problem you would immediately know what part of the control panel or the registry to go to and fix it yourself. Occasionally you had to google and people would give you simple instructions to follow. That was before Microsoft ruined it, but my point is there was a clear difference between Linux and Windows and the best Linux distro did not come close to the level of UX that Windows did. It's not a fair comparison because Linux is so fragmented but to me it remains that the Linux desktop experience is broken in some way for many people who use it.
- the_af 4y ago
  I don't disagree with the gist of your comment, but by that token, I don't remember Windows ever "just working" (especially not for games!), and neither does macOS... (The example I always give is that my wireless HP LaserJet printer works automagically with Ubuntu, but always gives trouble with macOS!) So... all desktops suck?
- 4y ago

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

The Linux desktop is great because it doesn't make me feel like a rat in a maze. Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

ThrowawayR2 4y ago
> "Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven." Ironically, that quote from Paradise Lost is spoken by the character Satan and is intended to deceive his fellow fallen angels into believing being condemned to Tartarus after losing their revolt isn't so bad, even though it is, quite literally, the depths of Hell. On the other hand, considering the topic, maybe it's rather apropos instead.

3836293648 4y ago

You obviously haven't used a recent Windows or Linux machine. Unless you need accessibility features GNOME is waaay better than Windows 11 in basically every way and I find GNOME unusable without a bunch of extensions. The current Windows 11 desktop is a catastrophe way worse than linux desktops

duckhelmet 4y ago

@IronWolve: "Linux desktop experience does suck .." Same ole same ole FUD .. it even does phones better than MICROS~1 PureOS – a pure Linux phone experience https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/pureos-mobile/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/pureos-mobile/

LAC-Tech 4y ago

Linux desktop experience is amazing. I feel crippled when I have to use mac or windows. (Though of course there is no universal desktop linux experience. That's kind of the point).

wly_cdgr 4y ago

So what you're saying is, Linux sucks?

motbus3 4y ago

what you mean binary hell?

matthews2 4y ago

> Desktop isn't unified (X11 or Wayland), libraries are not unified, the drivers/sound system isnt unified. Its basically a bunch of different flavors with issues that you are stuck with, locked in with. Why would it be unified? It's mostly a bazaar of software written by different people to scratch their own itches. > Redhat has the same issue, killing off centos community releases for a streamed os platform CentOS Stream is no different than enabling the debian-updates repository in Debian. Your system won't suddenly just start pulling in breaking changes.

fxtentacle 4y ago

In 2010, I would point at the little issues with Linux and advise people to use Windows instead. By now, Windows has gained so many issues that Linux is obviously superior. Like you press the start key, the Windows menu only halfway opens, your keystrokes go to nowhere, and then you're stuck with a crashed bar at the bottom of your screen. Or like you put your Surface Pro to sleep, but it disobeys you and checks for emails while it's in your backpack and out of wifi range. So you arrive at your destination with a hot brick of empty battery. Or like you're on a live show and then your system reboots for an Update that you can't cancel plus you loose all unsaved data in the process.

imetatroll 4y ago

Someone has clearly never tried xmonad.

_xerces_ 4y ago

>Pretty much, Windows with WSL, and Android emulation, you can do anything. Unfortunately, they haven't figured out hardware access in WSL2 so doing stuff with serial ports and the like is impossible or requires annoying workarounds like creating network tunnels and connecting them to a pts using socat. In WSL1 you did have access to Windows COM ports.