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The cat's out of the bag when community spread is confirmed like we see now. The time to take targeted measures for a community getting hit hard by it was a mo

The cat's out of the bag when community spread is confirmed like we see now. The time to take targeted measures for a community getting hit hard by it was a month ago when it was the dozens and low hundreds of cases. Now we're seeing 2k+ cases worldwide a day, and that's with very low testing. We need to shift into proper pandemic response mode--TETRIS, test-trace-isolate. There is nothing inherent about the DNA of this virus that makes it target men, gay men, or men who have sex with men. It will infect any human in the wrong place at the wrong time, period.

origin_path 4y ago
- qbasic_forever 4y ago
  - origin_path 4y ago
    What do you think "isolate" means exactly? Are you aware that COVID test-trace-isolate involved forcing people to not leave their homes, i.e. mandatory house arrest for anyone who tested positive? Given that monkeypox disproportionately affects gay men, your proposed policy would require the government to somehow identify that population, engage in regular mass testing of them and then actively police them to prevent them going out and infecting other people. Remember that tests have false positives. Many of the people who tested positive for COVID had no symptoms at all, or symptoms so mild they'd hardly noticed, so you can bet that mass testing for monkeypox would yield some steady stream of FPs as well. You really think that's going to happen? If you think our governments would even countenance that policy for a second when it'd disproportionately impact LGBT people then, well, you don't live on the same planet as I do!
    - codsane 4y ago
      Ah yes because temporary isolation to prevent the spread of a disease is the same exact thing as forced imprisonment! Congrats for making quite possibly the greatest leap since Armstrong stepped off Apollo 11.
      - origin_path 4y ago
        It is, in fact, the exact same thing: a temporary imprisonment enforced by the state in order to achieve its social goals. It is remarkable how creative the insults are in this thread, yet how utterly lacking in logic. The fact that you don't like the description doesn't make it wrong. The policy is the same, just implemented for different reasons and, we'd hope, with shorter periods of imprisonment. But that's what it is and name calling doesn't change what's being proposed.
wonderwonder 4y ago
If this thing does jump out of the gay community and into the general populace and kids start dying or being scarred for life it is going to potentially set back the acceptance the gay community has gained by decades. They are going to get absolutely hammered by the right and probably the center as well.

origin_path 4y ago

qbasic_forever 4y ago
- origin_path 4y ago
  What do you think "isolate" means exactly? Are you aware that COVID test-trace-isolate involved forcing people to not leave their homes, i.e. mandatory house arrest for anyone who tested positive? Given that monkeypox disproportionately affects gay men, your proposed policy would require the government to somehow identify that population, engage in regular mass testing of them and then actively police them to prevent them going out and infecting other people. Remember that tests have false positives. Many of the people who tested positive for COVID had no symptoms at all, or symptoms so mild they'd hardly noticed, so you can bet that mass testing for monkeypox would yield some steady stream of FPs as well. You really think that's going to happen? If you think our governments would even countenance that policy for a second when it'd disproportionately impact LGBT people then, well, you don't live on the same planet as I do!
  - codsane 4y ago
    Ah yes because temporary isolation to prevent the spread of a disease is the same exact thing as forced imprisonment! Congrats for making quite possibly the greatest leap since Armstrong stepped off Apollo 11.
    - origin_path 4y ago
      It is, in fact, the exact same thing: a temporary imprisonment enforced by the state in order to achieve its social goals. It is remarkable how creative the insults are in this thread, yet how utterly lacking in logic. The fact that you don't like the description doesn't make it wrong. The policy is the same, just implemented for different reasons and, we'd hope, with shorter periods of imprisonment. But that's what it is and name calling doesn't change what's being proposed.

wonderwonder 4y ago

If this thing does jump out of the gay community and into the general populace and kids start dying or being scarred for life it is going to potentially set back the acceptance the gay community has gained by decades. They are going to get absolutely hammered by the right and probably the center as well.