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Linux Sucks 2022

120 points by WhyNotHugo 4y ago

iakov 4y ago
Speaking from my experience, Windows never broke for me after updates. Install, reboot, done. I have actively used windows from XP to 10 with similar results. Linux, on the other hand, is a mess. Arch was mostly fine, I had to update an occasional config file after an update, but I had to update everything pretty often - once a month at least. At some point I stopped using my laptop with Arch on it for a while. A year passed, I needed to take a look at the old projects I had on that laptop. I booted it up, got my code, and out of curiosity decided to do a full system update. After reboot nothing, literally nothing worked - I could not log in to Gnome because apparently I was on Wayland now, I had no wifi or bluetooth, Firefox was rendering artifacts. I understand that Arch is an enthusiast distro, and that it was essentially my fault, but after this experience I have decided to stop using Linux on desktop and switched to Windows and Mac. A much better experience so far.
velcrovan 4y ago
Can someone explain what this is? Hard to dive into a recording if I have no context and no idea if it’s relevant to me.
- rtznprmpftl 4y ago
  Bryan Lunduke (former community manager from OpenSuSE) does a "Linux Sucks" Video every year where he (sarcasticly) points out all the failings of Linux on the Desktop. 50% painful. 50% fun.
  - WhyNotHugo 4y ago
    He's always very right in his criticism. He points out all the legit ways in which Linux sucks. Each year I think to myself "yeah, it's terrible", but then realise there's nothing better anyway. It sucks like we all do.
    - worble 4y ago
      "Linux is the worst form of OS, except for all the others" - Winston Churchill 1947, probably.
    - rvz 4y ago
      If I have to say 'just use Linux' to someone the inevitable response is always Which one? Ubuntu?, Fedora?, SUSE?, Arch?, Red Hat?, Void?, Slackware?, etc, etc, etc. Even if you have to choose a distro; that is the first problem and the fundamental problem of why the Linux Desktop has been a total failure in general and that is evergreen. ChromeOS is the only Linux-based OS that not only learns from Windows, and macOS but it is also a mostly closed-system and defeats the whole point of using Linux and open-source software. But it seems that even Google recognises that the Linux Desktop has shown its incompetencies in ChromeOS and will replace it with Fuchsia OS; their own developed OS, both being a mostly closed-source software in there and does not using Linux. So my response to anyone about Linux distros would be, 'Don't bother to choose, as you are not missing anything and you might as well use Windows, or macOS'
IronWolve 4y ago
Linux desktop experience does suck, but, BUT, the powerful tools and applications more than make up for it. Desktop isn't unified (X11 or Wayland), libraries are not unified, the drivers/sound system isnt unified. Its basically a bunch of different flavors with issues that you are stuck with, locked in with. Google Android has the same binary blob hell for drivers. Chrome OS has some powerful containers (on supported hardware), unlocking more power. Ubuntu versions are tied to projects, so google and other corps make you use what version they want to dev on their platforms. Redhat has the same issue, killing off centos community releases for a streamed os platform. (Same as Suse) Arch at least tries to fit the need of letting you upgrade, but you still have the same issues with a unified platform, but provides the applications, some apps are stale but at least they exist in their community repos. WSL is really just a platform to allow you to take the power of the terminal to do so many powerful things, skipping the desktop, allowing a windows desktop that solves all the issues linux has. Pretty much, Windows with WSL, and Android emulation, you can do anything. The only pure linux I have at home now is pi machine, and I only use it as a console box. But I still play with Arch in vmware (vmware supports nested virtualization, virtualbox doesnt). Its amazing the power windows can unlock linux Now when the m2 mac mini's come out, I might just have to play with virtualized linux as a desktop. Gaming, android/streaming can fill the lack of games, just as you can do on linux.
- OneHotEncoder 4y ago
  From a Desktop perspective, Linux always has been, and, I suspect will remain, a ghetto.
  - metadat 4y ago
    Compared to what? Nothing is more ghetto than $MS Windows, randomly breaking with updates and going slow performance.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  If Windows was so bereft of design flaws why couldn't they provide a superior terminal experience without inventing WSL?
ncmncm 4y ago
I liked this one: "Linus Torvalds threatens to punish developers by putting Rust in the Linux Kernel" https://lunduke.substack.com/p/linus-torvalds-threatens-to-punish https://lunduke.substack.com/p/linus-torvalds-threatens-to-p... “I really didn’t want to have to do this,” stated Torvalds. “But you all screw around too much. Nothing seems to get through to you. Maybe a little time with Rust will teach you a lesson.”
- Pr0ject217 4y ago
  lol
- jnordwick 4y ago
  "Linux would join Microsoft, Amazon, and Facebook in usage of Rust as a disciplinary tool."
ElijahLynn 4y ago
At 40:00 he says Linux desktop effects are back (e.g. Compiz). Anyone have more details?
- dijit 4y ago
  Wayfire has you covered: https://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire https://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire
- yellowapple 4y ago
  As a KDE user, I'd say they never left.
- pantalaimon 4y ago
  Compiz was never gone
- em-bee 4y ago
  there is a wobbly windows extension for gnome for example. and it's even a bit more realistic than the one for compiz was.
Enlarged9135 4y ago
people still care for a meme?
ElijahLynn 4y ago
I like the common theme that GitHub needs to be open source. Time to open up GitHub.
- SkyMarshal 4y ago
  It already is. https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sourcehut/ https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sourcehut/
- maxicarlos08 4y ago
  Gitea is a good and lightweight replacement for github
henning 4y ago
Is it helpful to point out the same issues that have already been pointed out and discussed many times before yet again? No. Is it helpful to have this come from someone who is a reactionary fascist like Lunduke? No.
- realjhol 4y ago
  I'd rather hear it from Lunduke than from anyone someone who smears people as "reactionary fascists" endorses
  - linmob 4y ago
    I recommend you to look at Lunduke's twitter (@thelunduke)… "Facist" depends on the definition of Facism you go by, but deeply conservative (which many non-conservative people call "reactionary")? Definitely.
    - realjhol 4y ago
      You and OP know very well that Lunduke isn't a fascist by any sensible definition of the word. OP didn't say conservative for obvious reasons, because there's nothing wrong with being conservative. (And completely unsurprising given the destruction that activist hooligans created in Portland). It was purely designed to mislead and deceive. We're all so sick of it. Stop lying and tell the truth.
      - pstuart 4y ago
        If you're concerned about Portland you should be talking about the homeless situation, as the "activist hooligan" trope is out of touch and insincere.
      - linmob 4y ago
        Actually I don’t agree with calling him a fascist - I could have made that more clear. That said, with Lunduke being one of the people that are unable to respect women's rights enough, and thus keep calling all abortions murder, I just can’t enjoy/watch his content any more. That viewpoint is just too reactionary for me. That’s my truth. (Regard Portland: No idea what’s going on there; I am European and have never been to the US West Coast.)
krick 4y ago
> $177M in revenue for Linux Foundation (2021) > Linux Kernel Support: 3.4% I suppose this is not entirely accurate, since this was a forecast, and this isn't really news, apparently, but this is news to me. And I find it quite telling. I mean, obviously it must have been this way, how else could it be!
the_third_wave 4y ago
Chisels suck, so do hammers. Chain saws? They suck. Don't even get me started on axes. All of these have in common that they have a learning curve during which they may just give you a blue nail, cut finger, shredded boots - you did wear those chainsaw-proof boots when you learned to handle the thing I hope - and more. Once you get to know these tools they allow you to do things which those shiny, gaudily coloured plasticky tools from the D.I.Y. store will never be able to achieve so it is worth the investment in time, band-aids and the occasional curse.
lexx 4y ago
I love my Linux desktop. More than 10 years I exclusively work on i3. Wouldn't change it for anything. Now also USB audio just works
- warmwaffles 4y ago
  I have been driving bspwm for the last 4 years, and indeed audio has improved with pipewire.
- CoolCold 4y ago
  I was using USB Audio, Altec sound system since, 1999/Windows 98. On some Linux I had by that time, as I tried, kudzu decided it's USB printer and suggested to print test page - I've refrained. Kept doing USB audio tests from time to time, and around 2008 something finally worked (had some issues with Firefox AFAIR, but other player was able to produce sound).
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phendrenad2 4y ago
Pretty weak compared to his earlier Linux Sucks videos. Seems to be more about the ecosystem and community than Linux itself. Maybe Linux has become so indistinguishable from Windows/Mac that there's nothing broken or silly left to poke fun at?
duckhelmet 4y ago
Is that video being financed by the MICROS~1 advertising department. From the title to the weird presentation, it's almost as if it was designed to drive people away. Linux OK for the geeks but not your average user /s "ubuntu 3D Desktop" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QokOwvPxrE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QokOwvPxrE Unreal Engine 4 Demos on Linux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd90ZkCCgKY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd90ZkCCgKY
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  Presumably you did not watch the video, which spends a considerable amount of time shitting on Microsoft.
sylware 4y ago
games cannot be clean ELF64 binaries which libdl everything from the system: GNU symbol versioning frenzy of glibc devs, and the static libstdc++ has no libdl "mode" and I would not hold my breath at gcc devs fixing that.
TwoNineFive 4y ago
I've run linux on a Sparcstation 10, a Pentium Pro 200MHz, tiny ARM OpenWRT systems, and two top-500 super computer clusters. I've run it on my 2008 Macbook Pro and my Raspberry Pi. Even my stupid Android phone runs linux. My tablet is linux. My thermostat is linux. I've been using linux for over 20 years now and can confirm that linux sucks. Hopefully my casket will run linux so I can bitch about it when I'm dead.
7speter 4y ago
I haven’t listened to this podcast, but in my humble opinion, as a previously comfortable user of Ubuntu based distros, the whole snap fiasco is throwing a wrench in the stability of that whole corner of the linux distro-verse. I really don’t want to use snaps because I’ve run into weird issues trying to use snaps of steam before, but it seems that you can’t even install mysql workbench on Ubuntu 22.04 variations and thats just driving me up a wall. I uninstalled the firefox snap as soon as I got Ubuntu Budgie working (I really dislike modern Gnome) and replaced it with native firefox, but now firefox won’t auto update. Budgie uses tilix by default and its too much of a pain to try and get a workflow going with tmux and vim. There’s a lot of these tiny issues, and while nvidia is finally making progress driverwise, I really want to be able to undervolt and overclock my ampere card, I am sadly on the verge of running windows for “poweruser” capabilities from my graphics card (and finally being able to control my rgb after openrgb disabled support for msi boards) and running Fedora in a virtual box for work purposes. Hopefully things come together support wise to go back to bare metal linux in the next year or so but for now its seems like I can only scratch my linux itch in a rather inelegant fashion :(
- timbit42 4y ago
  Switch to Debian or Linux Mint.
cdelsolar 4y ago
Linux on the desktop is freaking awesome now. I wouldn’t have it any other way. It took me a few hours to get Arch the way I want it (with KDE) and everything just works now.
- klysm 4y ago
  Only a few hours? I don’t know how many hours I’ve poured into tweaking.
  - xnacly 4y ago
    You‘re right, it’s probably days for me, every time i take a look at r/unixporn i want to change my setup to a new colorscheme.
    - CoolCold 4y ago
      just a statistics I've gathered over openspace where I was working ~ 10 years ago - 50% or even more Windows desktops (not laptops by that time) had the same screensaver and default background which gave me a huge insight on how much customizations people really need, even for probably easiest configuration change. For myself I count this way - 5% of population is a deviation for any given aspect - so far I think it predicts things very close.
t0bia_s 4y ago
Any content creator or pro artist working on linux here?
xnacly 4y ago
Really sad to not see this on apple podcasts :(
butz 4y ago
Yes, Linux sucks, there are many issues, but things are improving in tremendous rate. Just look at gaming on Linux, especially the fact that half of games with anti-cheat can be played without any workarounds or VM.
nathants 4y ago
if a setup that is a: - terminal - browser - window manager sounds awful, avoid desktop linux. you will find it to suck, even on a fancy distro like pop. otherwise, dual boot windows and linux. work on linux, play on windows. this works great on most laptops and desktops. keep a smart phone around if you don’t want to mess with bluetooth or audio on linux. it works fine, but smart phone is better in a lot of ways.
- CoolCold 4y ago
  > otherwise, dual boot windows and linux. work on linux, play on windows. this works great on most laptops and desktops. Just use WSL and no need to dual boot into Linux at all.
  - nathants 4y ago
    if that doesn’t suck for you, that is also fine.

Linux Sucks 2022

120 points by WhyNotHugo 4y ago

Speaking from my experience, Windows never broke for me after updates. Install, reboot, done. I have actively used windows from XP to 10 with similar results. Linux, on the other hand, is a mess. Arch was mostly fine, I had to update an occasional config file after an update, but I had to update everything pretty often - once a month at least. At some point I stopped using my laptop with Arch on it for a while. A year passed, I needed to take a look at the old projects I had on that laptop. I booted it up, got my code, and out of curiosity decided to do a full system update. After reboot nothing, literally nothing worked - I could not log in to Gnome because apparently I was on Wayland now, I had no wifi or bluetooth, Firefox was rendering artifacts. I understand that Arch is an enthusiast distro, and that it was essentially my fault, but after this experience I have decided to stop using Linux on desktop and switched to Windows and Mac. A much better experience so far.

velcrovan 4y ago

Can someone explain what this is? Hard to dive into a recording if I have no context and no idea if it’s relevant to me.

rtznprmpftl 4y ago
Bryan Lunduke (former community manager from OpenSuSE) does a "Linux Sucks" Video every year where he (sarcasticly) points out all the failings of Linux on the Desktop. 50% painful. 50% fun.
- WhyNotHugo 4y ago
  He's always very right in his criticism. He points out all the legit ways in which Linux sucks. Each year I think to myself "yeah, it's terrible", but then realise there's nothing better anyway. It sucks like we all do.
  - worble 4y ago
    "Linux is the worst form of OS, except for all the others" - Winston Churchill 1947, probably.
  - rvz 4y ago
    If I have to say 'just use Linux' to someone the inevitable response is always Which one? Ubuntu?, Fedora?, SUSE?, Arch?, Red Hat?, Void?, Slackware?, etc, etc, etc. Even if you have to choose a distro; that is the first problem and the fundamental problem of why the Linux Desktop has been a total failure in general and that is evergreen. ChromeOS is the only Linux-based OS that not only learns from Windows, and macOS but it is also a mostly closed-system and defeats the whole point of using Linux and open-source software. But it seems that even Google recognises that the Linux Desktop has shown its incompetencies in ChromeOS and will replace it with Fuchsia OS; their own developed OS, both being a mostly closed-source software in there and does not using Linux. So my response to anyone about Linux distros would be, 'Don't bother to choose, as you are not missing anything and you might as well use Windows, or macOS'

IronWolve 4y ago

Linux desktop experience does suck, but, BUT, the powerful tools and applications more than make up for it. Desktop isn't unified (X11 or Wayland), libraries are not unified, the drivers/sound system isnt unified. Its basically a bunch of different flavors with issues that you are stuck with, locked in with. Google Android has the same binary blob hell for drivers. Chrome OS has some powerful containers (on supported hardware), unlocking more power. Ubuntu versions are tied to projects, so google and other corps make you use what version they want to dev on their platforms. Redhat has the same issue, killing off centos community releases for a streamed os platform. (Same as Suse) Arch at least tries to fit the need of letting you upgrade, but you still have the same issues with a unified platform, but provides the applications, some apps are stale but at least they exist in their community repos. WSL is really just a platform to allow you to take the power of the terminal to do so many powerful things, skipping the desktop, allowing a windows desktop that solves all the issues linux has. Pretty much, Windows with WSL, and Android emulation, you can do anything. The only pure linux I have at home now is pi machine, and I only use it as a console box. But I still play with Arch in vmware (vmware supports nested virtualization, virtualbox doesnt). Its amazing the power windows can unlock linux Now when the m2 mac mini's come out, I might just have to play with virtualized linux as a desktop. Gaming, android/streaming can fill the lack of games, just as you can do on linux.

OneHotEncoder 4y ago
From a Desktop perspective, Linux always has been, and, I suspect will remain, a ghetto.
- metadat 4y ago
  Compared to what? Nothing is more ghetto than $MS Windows, randomly breaking with updates and going slow performance.
kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
If Windows was so bereft of design flaws why couldn't they provide a superior terminal experience without inventing WSL?

ncmncm 4y ago

I liked this one: "Linus Torvalds threatens to punish developers by putting Rust in the Linux Kernel" https://lunduke.substack.com/p/linus-torvalds-threatens-to-punish https://lunduke.substack.com/p/linus-torvalds-threatens-to-p... “I really didn’t want to have to do this,” stated Torvalds. “But you all screw around too much. Nothing seems to get through to you. Maybe a little time with Rust will teach you a lesson.”

Pr0ject217 4y ago
lol
jnordwick 4y ago
"Linux would join Microsoft, Amazon, and Facebook in usage of Rust as a disciplinary tool."

ElijahLynn 4y ago

At 40:00 he says Linux desktop effects are back (e.g. Compiz). Anyone have more details?

dijit 4y ago
Wayfire has you covered: https://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire https://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire
yellowapple 4y ago
As a KDE user, I'd say they never left.
pantalaimon 4y ago
Compiz was never gone
em-bee 4y ago
there is a wobbly windows extension for gnome for example. and it's even a bit more realistic than the one for compiz was.

Enlarged9135 4y ago

people still care for a meme?

ElijahLynn 4y ago

I like the common theme that GitHub needs to be open source. Time to open up GitHub.

SkyMarshal 4y ago
It already is. https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sourcehut/ https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sourcehut/
maxicarlos08 4y ago
Gitea is a good and lightweight replacement for github

henning 4y ago

Is it helpful to point out the same issues that have already been pointed out and discussed many times before yet again? No. Is it helpful to have this come from someone who is a reactionary fascist like Lunduke? No.

realjhol 4y ago
I'd rather hear it from Lunduke than from anyone someone who smears people as "reactionary fascists" endorses
- linmob 4y ago
  I recommend you to look at Lunduke's twitter (@thelunduke)… "Facist" depends on the definition of Facism you go by, but deeply conservative (which many non-conservative people call "reactionary")? Definitely.
  - realjhol 4y ago
    You and OP know very well that Lunduke isn't a fascist by any sensible definition of the word. OP didn't say conservative for obvious reasons, because there's nothing wrong with being conservative. (And completely unsurprising given the destruction that activist hooligans created in Portland). It was purely designed to mislead and deceive. We're all so sick of it. Stop lying and tell the truth.
    - pstuart 4y ago
      If you're concerned about Portland you should be talking about the homeless situation, as the "activist hooligan" trope is out of touch and insincere.
    - linmob 4y ago
      Actually I don’t agree with calling him a fascist - I could have made that more clear. That said, with Lunduke being one of the people that are unable to respect women's rights enough, and thus keep calling all abortions murder, I just can’t enjoy/watch his content any more. That viewpoint is just too reactionary for me. That’s my truth. (Regard Portland: No idea what’s going on there; I am European and have never been to the US West Coast.)

krick 4y ago

> $177M in revenue for Linux Foundation (2021) > Linux Kernel Support: 3.4% I suppose this is not entirely accurate, since this was a forecast, and this isn't really news, apparently, but this is news to me. And I find it quite telling. I mean, obviously it must have been this way, how else could it be!

the_third_wave 4y ago

Chisels suck, so do hammers. Chain saws? They suck. Don't even get me started on axes. All of these have in common that they have a learning curve during which they may just give you a blue nail, cut finger, shredded boots - you did wear those chainsaw-proof boots when you learned to handle the thing I hope - and more. Once you get to know these tools they allow you to do things which those shiny, gaudily coloured plasticky tools from the D.I.Y. store will never be able to achieve so it is worth the investment in time, band-aids and the occasional curse.

lexx 4y ago

I love my Linux desktop. More than 10 years I exclusively work on i3. Wouldn't change it for anything. Now also USB audio just works

warmwaffles 4y ago
I have been driving bspwm for the last 4 years, and indeed audio has improved with pipewire.
CoolCold 4y ago
I was using USB Audio, Altec sound system since, 1999/Windows 98. On some Linux I had by that time, as I tried, kudzu decided it's USB printer and suggested to print test page - I've refrained. Kept doing USB audio tests from time to time, and around 2008 something finally worked (had some issues with Firefox AFAIR, but other player was able to produce sound).

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phendrenad2 4y ago

Pretty weak compared to his earlier Linux Sucks videos. Seems to be more about the ecosystem and community than Linux itself. Maybe Linux has become so indistinguishable from Windows/Mac that there's nothing broken or silly left to poke fun at?

duckhelmet 4y ago

Is that video being financed by the MICROS~1 advertising department. From the title to the weird presentation, it's almost as if it was designed to drive people away. Linux OK for the geeks but not your average user /s "ubuntu 3D Desktop" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QokOwvPxrE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QokOwvPxrE Unreal Engine 4 Demos on Linux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd90ZkCCgKY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd90ZkCCgKY

whimsicalism 4y ago
Presumably you did not watch the video, which spends a considerable amount of time shitting on Microsoft.

sylware 4y ago

games cannot be clean ELF64 binaries which libdl everything from the system: GNU symbol versioning frenzy of glibc devs, and the static libstdc++ has no libdl "mode" and I would not hold my breath at gcc devs fixing that.

TwoNineFive 4y ago

I've run linux on a Sparcstation 10, a Pentium Pro 200MHz, tiny ARM OpenWRT systems, and two top-500 super computer clusters. I've run it on my 2008 Macbook Pro and my Raspberry Pi. Even my stupid Android phone runs linux. My tablet is linux. My thermostat is linux. I've been using linux for over 20 years now and can confirm that linux sucks. Hopefully my casket will run linux so I can bitch about it when I'm dead.

7speter 4y ago

I haven’t listened to this podcast, but in my humble opinion, as a previously comfortable user of Ubuntu based distros, the whole snap fiasco is throwing a wrench in the stability of that whole corner of the linux distro-verse. I really don’t want to use snaps because I’ve run into weird issues trying to use snaps of steam before, but it seems that you can’t even install mysql workbench on Ubuntu 22.04 variations and thats just driving me up a wall. I uninstalled the firefox snap as soon as I got Ubuntu Budgie working (I really dislike modern Gnome) and replaced it with native firefox, but now firefox won’t auto update. Budgie uses tilix by default and its too much of a pain to try and get a workflow going with tmux and vim. There’s a lot of these tiny issues, and while nvidia is finally making progress driverwise, I really want to be able to undervolt and overclock my ampere card, I am sadly on the verge of running windows for “poweruser” capabilities from my graphics card (and finally being able to control my rgb after openrgb disabled support for msi boards) and running Fedora in a virtual box for work purposes. Hopefully things come together support wise to go back to bare metal linux in the next year or so but for now its seems like I can only scratch my linux itch in a rather inelegant fashion :(

timbit42 4y ago
Switch to Debian or Linux Mint.

cdelsolar 4y ago

Linux on the desktop is freaking awesome now. I wouldn’t have it any other way. It took me a few hours to get Arch the way I want it (with KDE) and everything just works now.

klysm 4y ago
Only a few hours? I don’t know how many hours I’ve poured into tweaking.
- xnacly 4y ago
  You‘re right, it’s probably days for me, every time i take a look at r/unixporn i want to change my setup to a new colorscheme.
  - CoolCold 4y ago
    just a statistics I've gathered over openspace where I was working ~ 10 years ago - 50% or even more Windows desktops (not laptops by that time) had the same screensaver and default background which gave me a huge insight on how much customizations people really need, even for probably easiest configuration change. For myself I count this way - 5% of population is a deviation for any given aspect - so far I think it predicts things very close.

t0bia_s 4y ago

Any content creator or pro artist working on linux here?

xnacly 4y ago

Really sad to not see this on apple podcasts :(

butz 4y ago

Yes, Linux sucks, there are many issues, but things are improving in tremendous rate. Just look at gaming on Linux, especially the fact that half of games with anti-cheat can be played without any workarounds or VM.

nathants 4y ago

if a setup that is a: - terminal - browser - window manager sounds awful, avoid desktop linux. you will find it to suck, even on a fancy distro like pop. otherwise, dual boot windows and linux. work on linux, play on windows. this works great on most laptops and desktops. keep a smart phone around if you don’t want to mess with bluetooth or audio on linux. it works fine, but smart phone is better in a lot of ways.

CoolCold 4y ago
> otherwise, dual boot windows and linux. work on linux, play on windows. this works great on most laptops and desktops. Just use WSL and no need to dual boot into Linux at all.
- nathants 4y ago
  if that doesn’t suck for you, that is also fine.