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If you're deliberately engaging in risky behavior, you don't also get to blame the government for the consequences. The government is not there to facilitate ev

by daenz 4y ago

If you're deliberately engaging in risky behavior, you don't also get to blame the government for the consequences. The government is not there to facilitate every possible impulse people have at all times.

nostromo 4y ago
Note how puritanical feelings about sex and sexual minorities come into play here. > A grandma dies because her family ignores rules around not gathering during Covid-19 -- tragic. > A young man dies because he has sex with too many partners -- well, he should have known about the risks.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  Insinuations of homophobia are not helping your case. We're talking about having anonymous group sex vs. breathing air. I would feel the same way and see the same glaring distinction if we were talking about a heterosexual orgy.
- daenz 4y ago
  I'm not sure how that is related to my comment unless you are suggesting that I also hold those beliefs.
- corrral 4y ago
  I mean... "fuck around and find out" or similar was a pretty damn common response when people who chose to publicly ignore common-sense precautions died of Covid.
- throwaway070822 4y ago
  It actually seems to be the opposite, from what I've seen. There's a Reddit sub with half a million subscribers, /r/HermanCainAward/, created to make fun of people who were cavalier about Covid and ended up dying from it. There's no sub for people who had tons of unprotected sex and got AIDS or monkeypox, and I'm pretty sure one would get banned immediately if it was created.
  - nostromo 4y ago
    Yeah, and that sucks. Those idiots on Reddit should stop. That’s my point - it’s not effective there or here, for Covid or Monkeypox. I doubt the people shaming people with illness even think doing so will help change behavior. They probably just enjoy dunking on people they think are beneath them.
- ddeeo 4y ago
  Well shit, he shouldn't have sex as much maybe? It's a very avoidable behavior. I in general do not understand why these dudes do these insane sexual things. I always knew there were people out there who made sex a big part of their lifestyle, but group sex with double digit partners in the last month? Holy shit not only is that incredibly bizarre to most people, but it's unreasonable to suggest it can't be avoided. Is there just no monogamy in the gay male community?
  - causality0 4y ago
    According to data from Okcupid, gay and straight people have about the same median number of partners. It's a small fraction of the gay community that is having just a ridiculous amount of sex.
    - daenz 4y ago
      There may be a sampling bias from okcupid, for both demographics, since iirc okcupid is more about dating than it is hookups.
  - karencarits 4y ago
    > Is there just no monogamy in the gay male community? Of course there is. There are also, for example, gay men who obstain from sex altogether for religious reasons. These group just doesn't get as much attention. But the distributions are a bit different and the tail of the distribution is longer. See for example https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334840/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334840/ Number of partners, last year [median, range]: * Heterosexual men: 1 (0–99) * Heterosexual women: 1 (0–7) * MSM (Urban Men’s Health Study): 4 (0–500) * MSM (Seattle MSM RDD): 2 (0–300) Number of partners, lifetime [median, range]: * Heterosexual men: 8 (1–99) * Heterosexual women: 6 (1–99) * MSM (Urban Men’s Health Study): 45 (0–9005)
  - daenz 4y ago
    There seems to be a mindset among a large number of people that if a person's behaviors fall into certain socially "protected" categories, that they should be able to do whatever they want, with no consequences, or if there are consequences, they should be compensated for by the rest of society.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Come on there is a pretty clear difference between getting sick because you just existed along side other people and breathed the same air vs repeatedly inserting your penis inside multiple other people in a single night knowing the risks. There are tons of happy monogamous homosexual couples who are not at risk. If you cant see that you are very much willfully blind. Puritanical feelings have nothing to do with it. No none deserves to die from any virus but the assumption of risk implied is very different. It doesn't make any death less tragic than another though.

by daenz 4y ago

nostromo 4y ago

Note how puritanical feelings about sex and sexual minorities come into play here. > A grandma dies because her family ignores rules around not gathering during Covid-19 -- tragic. > A young man dies because he has sex with too many partners -- well, he should have known about the risks.

chitowneats 4y ago
Insinuations of homophobia are not helping your case. We're talking about having anonymous group sex vs. breathing air. I would feel the same way and see the same glaring distinction if we were talking about a heterosexual orgy.
daenz 4y ago
I'm not sure how that is related to my comment unless you are suggesting that I also hold those beliefs.
corrral 4y ago
I mean... "fuck around and find out" or similar was a pretty damn common response when people who chose to publicly ignore common-sense precautions died of Covid.
throwaway070822 4y ago
It actually seems to be the opposite, from what I've seen. There's a Reddit sub with half a million subscribers, /r/HermanCainAward/, created to make fun of people who were cavalier about Covid and ended up dying from it. There's no sub for people who had tons of unprotected sex and got AIDS or monkeypox, and I'm pretty sure one would get banned immediately if it was created.
- nostromo 4y ago
  Yeah, and that sucks. Those idiots on Reddit should stop. That’s my point - it’s not effective there or here, for Covid or Monkeypox. I doubt the people shaming people with illness even think doing so will help change behavior. They probably just enjoy dunking on people they think are beneath them.
ddeeo 4y ago
Well shit, he shouldn't have sex as much maybe? It's a very avoidable behavior. I in general do not understand why these dudes do these insane sexual things. I always knew there were people out there who made sex a big part of their lifestyle, but group sex with double digit partners in the last month? Holy shit not only is that incredibly bizarre to most people, but it's unreasonable to suggest it can't be avoided. Is there just no monogamy in the gay male community?
- causality0 4y ago
  According to data from Okcupid, gay and straight people have about the same median number of partners. It's a small fraction of the gay community that is having just a ridiculous amount of sex.
  - daenz 4y ago
    There may be a sampling bias from okcupid, for both demographics, since iirc okcupid is more about dating than it is hookups.
- karencarits 4y ago
  > Is there just no monogamy in the gay male community? Of course there is. There are also, for example, gay men who obstain from sex altogether for religious reasons. These group just doesn't get as much attention. But the distributions are a bit different and the tail of the distribution is longer. See for example https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334840/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334840/ Number of partners, last year [median, range]: * Heterosexual men: 1 (0–99) * Heterosexual women: 1 (0–7) * MSM (Urban Men’s Health Study): 4 (0–500) * MSM (Seattle MSM RDD): 2 (0–300) Number of partners, lifetime [median, range]: * Heterosexual men: 8 (1–99) * Heterosexual women: 6 (1–99) * MSM (Urban Men’s Health Study): 45 (0–9005)
- daenz 4y ago
  There seems to be a mindset among a large number of people that if a person's behaviors fall into certain socially "protected" categories, that they should be able to do whatever they want, with no consequences, or if there are consequences, they should be compensated for by the rest of society.
wonderwonder 4y ago
Come on there is a pretty clear difference between getting sick because you just existed along side other people and breathed the same air vs repeatedly inserting your penis inside multiple other people in a single night knowing the risks. There are tons of happy monogamous homosexual couples who are not at risk. If you cant see that you are very much willfully blind. Puritanical feelings have nothing to do with it. No none deserves to die from any virus but the assumption of risk implied is very different. It doesn't make any death less tragic than another though.