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Very bizarre to me the way that avoiding covid was moralized and yet the same public health professionals seem more than a little skittish to do so around this.

Very bizarre to me the way that avoiding covid was moralized and yet the same public health professionals seem more than a little skittish to do so around this. Particularly when the behavior is easier to avoid than breathing the same air as other people. I'd also like to add that having group sex in public places is not the only way to have sex. Your comment seems to conflate this with all sexual activity.

corrral 4y ago
Yeah... I was mostly in favor of Covid restrictions but it's bizarre to say that "no doing [huge list of normal things everyone does]" is fine and if you don't play along you're a plague rat, but balk at "maybe avoid having tons of anonymous sex with strangers for a little while" because that's just unreasonable.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Reasonable or not, resistance to that suggestion is a reality. We have to play the hand we're dealt.
suscialmadia 4y ago
There is a long and dark history to moralizing and even legislating how and when consenting adults can have sex with each other. So maybe it's a bit like discussing eugenics. It wasn't a particularly difficult topic when people like Plato were abstractly philosophizing about ideal societies, but it is a charged topic today because we have seen where that road leads in practice. It's also easier to ask people to make shared sacrifices which everybody should bear equally.
nostromo 4y ago
We shouldn't have moralized the response to Covid either. Trying to shame people into getting vaccinated blew up in our faces -- we now have an entrenched group of people that seem to be opposed to all vaccines, not just those for Covid-19. People will have sex in ways you and I don't approve of. If your plan is to get them to stop -- it won't work. Just as telling people not to visit their family during Covid didn't work. A better plan is to get people vaccinated, make testing fast and easy, and to inform people about risk profiles.
- daenz 4y ago
  If you're deliberately engaging in risky behavior, you don't also get to blame the government for the consequences. The government is not there to facilitate every possible impulse people have at all times.
  - nostromo 4y ago
    Note how puritanical feelings about sex and sexual minorities come into play here. > A grandma dies because her family ignores rules around not gathering during Covid-19 -- tragic. > A young man dies because he has sex with too many partners -- well, he should have known about the risks.
    - chitowneats 4y ago
      Insinuations of homophobia are not helping your case. We're talking about having anonymous group sex vs. breathing air. I would feel the same way and see the same glaring distinction if we were talking about a heterosexual orgy.
    - daenz 4y ago
      I'm not sure how that is related to my comment unless you are suggesting that I also hold those beliefs.
    - corrral 4y ago
      I mean... "fuck around and find out" or similar was a pretty damn common response when people who chose to publicly ignore common-sense precautions died of Covid.
    - throwaway070822 4y ago
      It actually seems to be the opposite, from what I've seen. There's a Reddit sub with half a million subscribers, /r/HermanCainAward/, created to make fun of people who were cavalier about Covid and ended up dying from it. There's no sub for people who had tons of unprotected sex and got AIDS or monkeypox, and I'm pretty sure one would get banned immediately if it was created.

corrral 4y ago

Yeah... I was mostly in favor of Covid restrictions but it's bizarre to say that "no doing [huge list of normal things everyone does]" is fine and if you don't play along you're a plague rat, but balk at "maybe avoid having tons of anonymous sex with strangers for a little while" because that's just unreasonable.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
Reasonable or not, resistance to that suggestion is a reality. We have to play the hand we're dealt.

suscialmadia 4y ago

There is a long and dark history to moralizing and even legislating how and when consenting adults can have sex with each other. So maybe it's a bit like discussing eugenics. It wasn't a particularly difficult topic when people like Plato were abstractly philosophizing about ideal societies, but it is a charged topic today because we have seen where that road leads in practice. It's also easier to ask people to make shared sacrifices which everybody should bear equally.

nostromo 4y ago

We shouldn't have moralized the response to Covid either. Trying to shame people into getting vaccinated blew up in our faces -- we now have an entrenched group of people that seem to be opposed to all vaccines, not just those for Covid-19. People will have sex in ways you and I don't approve of. If your plan is to get them to stop -- it won't work. Just as telling people not to visit their family during Covid didn't work. A better plan is to get people vaccinated, make testing fast and easy, and to inform people about risk profiles.

daenz 4y ago
If you're deliberately engaging in risky behavior, you don't also get to blame the government for the consequences. The government is not there to facilitate every possible impulse people have at all times.
- nostromo 4y ago
  Note how puritanical feelings about sex and sexual minorities come into play here. > A grandma dies because her family ignores rules around not gathering during Covid-19 -- tragic. > A young man dies because he has sex with too many partners -- well, he should have known about the risks.
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    Insinuations of homophobia are not helping your case. We're talking about having anonymous group sex vs. breathing air. I would feel the same way and see the same glaring distinction if we were talking about a heterosexual orgy.
  - daenz 4y ago
    I'm not sure how that is related to my comment unless you are suggesting that I also hold those beliefs.
  - corrral 4y ago
    I mean... "fuck around and find out" or similar was a pretty damn common response when people who chose to publicly ignore common-sense precautions died of Covid.
  - throwaway070822 4y ago
    It actually seems to be the opposite, from what I've seen. There's a Reddit sub with half a million subscribers, /r/HermanCainAward/, created to make fun of people who were cavalier about Covid and ended up dying from it. There's no sub for people who had tons of unprotected sex and got AIDS or monkeypox, and I'm pretty sure one would get banned immediately if it was created.