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German police, all of them together, fired 62 shots, over the whole year, in 2019. In America that's just a regular traffic stop. Something is very wrong with

German police, all of them together, fired 62 shots, over the whole year, in 2019. In America that's just a regular traffic stop. Something is very wrong with the American police/society/whatever, you can't deny that.

spoils19 4y ago
Do you have a source for that number being a regular traffic stop? I find that highly unbelievable.
- martin_a 4y ago
  > Authorities have not said how many shots were fired [...] the number could be more than 90, with the man suffering at least 60 bullet wounds https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-officers-killing-jayland-walker/ https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-o...
  - agensaequivocum 4y ago
    Don't shoot at the cops.
    - footloose82938 4y ago
    - iudqnolq 4y ago
      Vouched for the sibling reply calling this misinformation because per the police chief himself (as of two days ago) Jayland Walker was unarmed. > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/akron-police-shooting-jayland-walker-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/akron-police-shooting-...
      - agensaequivocum 4y ago
        Go back and read the article I responded to. It says he shot at police during the pursuit and there is a picture of the gun found in the car. It was reasonable given the circumstances to assume he was armed when he turned and they opened fire.
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        iudqnolq 4y ago
        Fair enough, if you believe extrajudicial execution is a fair punishment for any crime committed earlier there's no point in my arguing further.
mschuster91 4y ago
The difference is that here in Germany, our police officers don't have to fear that the person they're stopping is someone who is running drugs and already has two convictions, meaning any third conviction locks him up for life - so they can decide to simply shoot the cop and hope to get away versus a guaranteed life in prison [1]. Additionally, German police is training their people for ~2.5-3 years [2], whereas the US training is a couple of weeks at worst and a national average of 19 weeks [3]. The US needs to get a lot under control if it wants less police murders: they need to get rid of the absurd amounts of guns floating around, they need a drastic sentencing reform and the complete end of all three-strike policies, they (and fwiw, we too) need to end the "war on drugs", and they need to actually treat police training like any regular job education. Unfortunately, getting the required majorities to fix all that is completely impossible. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law [2] https://www.mit-sicherheit-anders.de/ https://www.mit-sicherheit-anders.de/ [3] https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/usa-kritik-an-ausbildung-von-polizisten-a-1027698.html https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/usa-kritik-an-ausbild...
- timeon 4y ago
  > The difference is that here in Germany, our police officers don't have to fear that the person they're stopping is someone who is running drugs Difference is that they do not except (that much) someone will have gun.
  - martin_a 4y ago
    Only emphasizes the point, that there's something very wrong in the US.

spoils19 4y ago

Do you have a source for that number being a regular traffic stop? I find that highly unbelievable.

martin_a 4y ago
> Authorities have not said how many shots were fired [...] the number could be more than 90, with the man suffering at least 60 bullet wounds https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-officers-killing-jayland-walker/ https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-o...
- agensaequivocum 4y ago
  Don't shoot at the cops.
  - footloose82938 4y ago
  - iudqnolq 4y ago
    Vouched for the sibling reply calling this misinformation because per the police chief himself (as of two days ago) Jayland Walker was unarmed. > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/akron-police-shooting-jayland-walker-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/akron-police-shooting-...
    - agensaequivocum 4y ago
      Go back and read the article I responded to. It says he shot at police during the pursuit and there is a picture of the gun found in the car. It was reasonable given the circumstances to assume he was armed when he turned and they opened fire.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - iudqnolq 4y ago
        Fair enough, if you believe extrajudicial execution is a fair punishment for any crime committed earlier there's no point in my arguing further.

mschuster91 4y ago

The difference is that here in Germany, our police officers don't have to fear that the person they're stopping is someone who is running drugs and already has two convictions, meaning any third conviction locks him up for life - so they can decide to simply shoot the cop and hope to get away versus a guaranteed life in prison [1]. Additionally, German police is training their people for ~2.5-3 years [2], whereas the US training is a couple of weeks at worst and a national average of 19 weeks [3]. The US needs to get a lot under control if it wants less police murders: they need to get rid of the absurd amounts of guns floating around, they need a drastic sentencing reform and the complete end of all three-strike policies, they (and fwiw, we too) need to end the "war on drugs", and they need to actually treat police training like any regular job education. Unfortunately, getting the required majorities to fix all that is completely impossible. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law [2] https://www.mit-sicherheit-anders.de/ https://www.mit-sicherheit-anders.de/ [3] https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/usa-kritik-an-ausbildung-von-polizisten-a-1027698.html https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/usa-kritik-an-ausbild...

timeon 4y ago
> The difference is that here in Germany, our police officers don't have to fear that the person they're stopping is someone who is running drugs Difference is that they do not except (that much) someone will have gun.
- martin_a 4y ago
  Only emphasizes the point, that there's something very wrong in the US.