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Okay — but the US doesn’t have a “rogue police force that kills citizens”. That’s not supported by actual statistics, even if it’s a popular narrative among so

Okay — but the US doesn’t have a “rogue police force that kills citizens”. That’s not supported by actual statistics, even if it’s a popular narrative among some political groups.

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infinityplus1 4y ago
Just do a google search and see actual events instead of some statistics.
arianvanp 4y ago
Statistics seem to suggest just that though? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enfo... What other statistic should I be looking at?
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- oblio 4y ago
  If you sort by: "People killed by security forces", out of the top 34 countries, 33 are underdeveloped or developing (and several are at war or have an ongoing civil war). The US is in 7th place. Interestingly, Canada is the 35th, but it still has about 9 times fewer cases per capita than the US...
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    You should sort by “per capita”, where Canada has a third of US police per capita shootings. Which makes sense, given the US’s problems with organized crime and drug trafficking — and a generally more armed society.
    - oblio 4y ago
      The math is off. Divide the deaths by the population, that column is wrong. Canada is actually at less than a third of that number, based on their own columns.
- mminer237 4y ago
  In virtually all of those, the shot attackers were armed themselves. Does stopping someone actively trying to kill a third-party make the police force "rogue"?
martin_a 4y ago
German police, all of them together, fired 62 shots, over the whole year, in 2019. In America that's just a regular traffic stop. Something is very wrong with the American police/society/whatever, you can't deny that.
- spoils19 4y ago
  Do you have a source for that number being a regular traffic stop? I find that highly unbelievable.
  - martin_a 4y ago
    > Authorities have not said how many shots were fired [...] the number could be more than 90, with the man suffering at least 60 bullet wounds https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-officers-killing-jayland-walker/ https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-o...
    - agensaequivocum 4y ago
      Don't shoot at the cops.
      - footloose82938 4y ago
      - iudqnolq 4y ago
        Vouched for the sibling reply calling this misinformation because per the police chief himself (as of two days ago) Jayland Walker was unarmed. > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/akron-police-shooting-jayland-walker-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/akron-police-shooting-...
        agensaequivocum 4y ago
        Go back and read the article I responded to. It says he shot at police during the pursuit and there is a picture of the gun found in the car. It was reasonable given the circumstances to assume he was armed when he turned and they opened fire.

Okay — but the US doesn’t have a “rogue police force that kills citizens”. That’s not supported by actual statistics, even if it’s a popular narrative among some political groups.

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infinityplus1 4y ago

Just do a google search and see actual events instead of some statistics.

arianvanp 4y ago

Statistics seem to suggest just that though? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enfo... What other statistic should I be looking at?

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oblio 4y ago
If you sort by: "People killed by security forces", out of the top 34 countries, 33 are underdeveloped or developing (and several are at war or have an ongoing civil war). The US is in 7th place. Interestingly, Canada is the 35th, but it still has about 9 times fewer cases per capita than the US...
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  You should sort by “per capita”, where Canada has a third of US police per capita shootings. Which makes sense, given the US’s problems with organized crime and drug trafficking — and a generally more armed society.
  - oblio 4y ago
    The math is off. Divide the deaths by the population, that column is wrong. Canada is actually at less than a third of that number, based on their own columns.
mminer237 4y ago
In virtually all of those, the shot attackers were armed themselves. Does stopping someone actively trying to kill a third-party make the police force "rogue"?

martin_a 4y ago

German police, all of them together, fired 62 shots, over the whole year, in 2019. In America that's just a regular traffic stop. Something is very wrong with the American police/society/whatever, you can't deny that.

spoils19 4y ago
Do you have a source for that number being a regular traffic stop? I find that highly unbelievable.
- martin_a 4y ago
  > Authorities have not said how many shots were fired [...] the number could be more than 90, with the man suffering at least 60 bullet wounds https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-officers-killing-jayland-walker/ https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-o...
  - agensaequivocum 4y ago
    Don't shoot at the cops.
    - footloose82938 4y ago
    - iudqnolq 4y ago
      Vouched for the sibling reply calling this misinformation because per the police chief himself (as of two days ago) Jayland Walker was unarmed. > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/akron-police-shooting-jayland-walker-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/akron-police-shooting-...
      - agensaequivocum 4y ago
        Go back and read the article I responded to. It says he shot at police during the pursuit and there is a picture of the gun found in the car. It was reasonable given the circumstances to assume he was armed when he turned and they opened fire.