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This video has the cleanest angle if anyone curious https://nitter.cz/yamaneko2011/status/1545297780562096128 https://nitter.cz/yamaneko2011/status/15452977805
by unpopularopp 4y ago
This video has the cleanest angle if anyone curious
https://nitter.cz/yamaneko2011/status/1545297780562096128 https://nitter.cz/yamaneko2011/status/1545297780562096128
The guy straight up walks behind him but misses the first shot. Keeps walking but Abe turns around and then the 2nd shot hits him point blank
- swah 4y agoHow odd how no one runs away..
- unpopularopp 4y agoYeah even after the first shot it seems like an eternity where nothing happens and Abe just casually turning around
- ahmadmijot 4y agoIn a country where the gun crime is low and leaders get attacked, it's not that weird that people are puzzled of what just happen
- blowski 4y agoLiving in a country where guns are not common, my first thought after a gunshot would probably be "what was that? did something fall over?"
- kevingadd 4y agoYeah, and it was a homemade gun so it doesn't look or sound like a regular one (certainly not like one from movies or TV)
- jeanlucas 4y agoMost movies or TV don't do realistic gun sounds anyways
- tasuki 4y agoAren't speakers the limitation here? I'm not sure in what way movies or TV aren't realistic, but I'm pretty sure your speaker has less of a punch than a gun.
- thfuran 4y agoA nearby gunshot is loud enough to be painful.
- drexlspivey 4y agoThe bank gunfight in Heat (1995) is still the apex of gunfight sound design
- sgjohnson 4y agoThat shouldn't actually matter too much. If the projectile went supersonic, there would still be a sonic boom. If it didn't go supersonic, I'd actually expect it to be louder than a subsonic round from a production firearm due to less efficient design. (kind of how revolvers are almost always louder than pistols, due to the fact that the chamber isn't completely sealed, so pressure can start escaping before the projectile leaves the barrel) But judging by the clip, the projectile didn't go supersonic, just based on the sheer power of it (Abe collapsed instantly). You could get hit a dozen times with a small energy projectile and still stay standing (for a couple of seconds at least).
- saiya-jin 4y ago> You could get hit a dozen times with a small energy projectile and still stay standing I don't think so - the main reason (apart form saving weight) why we have small fast projectiles in rifles (instead of huge heavy balls like before) is hydrostatic shock. Also faster bullets penetrate armor better but that's another topic. Projectile crossing certain speed threshold (for mostly liquid bodies we all have) will produce massive temporary cavity in the body, and shockwave from this will ripple through surrounding tissue. Imagine 7.5mm wide bullet blasting 10-15cm hole within the body, although entry point is not much bigger than bullet. Just watch any shooting video with ballistic gels, they do tend to slow it down to see how much damage bullet is doing. Any organ will become mushy pieces and goo. Even currently standard military 5.56mm is capable of this from close distance, if its not slowed/fractured by some big bones. And they are phasing it out for bigger and similarly fast (if not faster) cartridge for all these reasons.
- sph 4y agoI had that same thought watching the recent Chicago shooting footage. I have never heard a rifle in real life, they certainly don't sound like movies and if I had been sitting nearby it would have taken me a while to tell this is a flee situation.
- WatchDog 4y agoIf you have only heard a gun firing from a video, it sounds much different in person. A lot of microphones do a very poor job of capturing the sound, and even the best recordings can't capture just how loud guns can be.
- adastra22 4y agoFor those who are wondering, it sounds like someone clapping, but louder. Yet not as loud as Hollywood imagines.
- aetherson 4y agoUh, no. Guns are really, really loud. Much louder than you get from TV and movies, which after all can't play sounds loud enough to damage your hearing. Source: have fired a fair number of guns.
- sklargh 4y agoFor non gun users - I recommend watching the heist/ambush scene in Heat at a painful volume. This is a reasonable simulation of the loudness.
- dusted 4y agome too, I've never even heard a real gun shot, not anywhere
- prmoustache 4y agoMy first reaction would be to look for a bicycle/car tire that blew up.
- dredds 4y agoVideo shows the guy standing on the far side of the busy road behind Abe, and the perp was taken down about half way across it. The loud boom and smoke resembled a car backfiring much more than any gun, so not really surprised the lack of immediate alarm. Kids backfiring sports cars would be a commonplace rebellious act in Japan.
- helloworld11 4y agoLiving in a country where gunfire is very common, the opposite starts to happen: even when you hear what you rapidly realize isn't gunfire but only somewhat similar (firecrackers, cars backfiring, etc), your first reaction is to assume gunshots or automatic rifle fire before assessing what you heard more carefully.
- Hamuko 4y agoApparently some of the people that were close to the shooting in Highland Park during the Fourth of July initially thought that the gunshots were fireworks.
- the_mitsuhiko 4y agoGuns and shootings are uncommon in Japan. There is no natural response to run unless you are hyper aware of shootings.
- godzillabrennus 4y agoJapan has some super strict gun laws. The onlookers probably had no experience with firearm violence and didn't know to run away. More of a deer in headlights kind of shock when they saw the smoke. I guess "ghost gun" violence like this will become more normal in countries with restrictive gun laws as societies break down when the effects of climate change are really felt.
- dagurp 4y agoInterestingly, the gun looks home made https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/7/8/a6600155-4504-43ad-b73c-b385650ee937.jpg https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/v...
- jcims 4y agoIt's definitely not modern 'smokeless' propellant either. Probably repurposed flash powder from fireworks or DIY.
- bigDinosaur 4y agoI'm as cynical and prone to doomsaying as much as anyone but there's nothing new in assassination attempts the world over and I don't think it's helpful to imply we're all gonna be dealing with mass 'ghost gun' violence due to climate change. Like, maybe, or maybe not.
- korijn 4y agoPerhaps I'm making a stupid assumption here but isn't almost all gun violence (outside the US) committed with unregistered and/or homemade weapons? Doesn't seem like anything unusual/new to me as a European. I also don't see the relationship with climate change.
- icelancer 4y agoUnregistered, yes. Homemade, probably not. A large percentage of gun violence even inside the US is committed with unregistered weapons. The only events that see international media play are the mass event shootings at malls and such; these guns tend to be registered. More "typical" gun violence is committed regularly, and not with AR-style rifles (more typically 9mm carbines which are regulated as handguns in the US, as well as actual handguns).
- Balarny 4y agoIt makes me think of, funnily enough, a scene in an anime. In this scene, set in a utopian, crime-free society (at least on the surface), a woman is beaten brutally in a public square in front of a large crowd. The people in this crowd just... stand and watch. They get their phones out and record it. It is reasoned by one of the main characters that they act this way because they simply cannot process what is going on. The concept of this happening is so divorced from the reality they live in, it provokes little to no fear/horror/disgust/whatever response in them.
- saimiam 4y agoSomething to this effect really happened in New York City (if memory serves) which led to Good Samaritan laws which protect people trying to help someone in need from being prosecuted if the person needing help dies or things go south in general.
- fennecfoxy 4y agoI think a lot of it comes not from worrying about being prosecuted, but in some situations you don't want to/can't help because you're worried about endangering yourself. I know some people (usually men) are expected to be 100% selfless and run in to be defenders, but not all of us feel that way.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago> Something to this effect really happened in New York City (if memory serves) Something to this effect was widely reported, the Kitty Genovese case. But the reports were lies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese
- rainworld 4y agoThe Kitty Genovese story was a psyop: https://www.apa.org/gradpsych/2012/09/tall-tales https://www.apa.org/gradpsych/2012/09/tall-tales
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- markdown 4y agoThat's normal in societies where the average person never has to fear being gunned down. An assassination by gunfire in a country where gun deaths don't happen is the perfect excuse for rubbernecking.
- cjrp 4y agoWith the amount of smoke, my first thought might be a pyrotechnic or even malfunctioning AV equipment.
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- thaumasiotes 4y agoThey didn't run away. You don't need to run away when you're not in danger.
- shapefrog 4y agoThe old lady with groceries bag in one hand, walking stick in the other charged in faster than a texan police officer.
- jhugo 4y agoPeople nearby clearly do. The people near the camera probably have no idea what happened. In most countries, gun crime is uncommon and people would just be confused what had just happened.
- Guid_NewGuid 4y agoCan second this. I'm from a country where gun crime is non-existent for the average person and was visiting a friend in their home country. We were in a bar when firecrackers started going off. I turned and looked and just sort of stood still while watching this man shoot at 2 people. By the time I realized what was happening my friend was already over the wall taking cover and shouting at me to get over the wall too. It's a very weird experience if you're not used to guns and gun crime.
- kurupt213 4y agoI think gun violence is very uncommon in Japan. People were probably more confused than scared
- pjc50 4y agoApparently "less than ten gun deaths nationwide every year", for a country of 125m people. It's generally a low crime country.
- AdrianB1 4y agoThe crime rate is not linked to gun crime rate in that country as the guns are completely illegal. Even 10 gun deaths per year is virtually impossible if guns are totally banned - where are these guns coming from? At the same time there is violent crime, just not with guns.
- kurupt213 4y agoThis guy made his own gun
- slightwinder 4y agoViolence in Japan is so low, something like that is just outside their normal reality. It's more likely to see some malfunctioning tech, than experience a real gun fired. And with all the smoke, that's what people probably thought at first, that some tech went haywire.
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- yodsanklai 4y ago> something like that is just outside their normal reality It's the case in most developed countries I believe.
- lexapro 4y agoYes. I've never had a gun in my hands or saw/heard one being fired and don't know anyone who has. Same for most non-developed countries I imagine.
- jiggawatts 4y agoUntil I was 42, I had never seen a real gun except on the belt of a police officer. I lived near an Army barracks for a decade and never saw a soldier carrying a gun. In my twenties one of the crazy types at work brought a very realistic replica gun to work. He's the type that in some countries would bring a real gun to work, but here... it was just a toy to freak people out with. His strange proclivities weren't what really freaked me out. The toy gun did. I could name the manufacturer instantly when I saw it. I knew how every part worked, and what every part was called. I could operate it without difficulty or confusion. I knew that it had a grip safety, a manual safety, and a trigger safety. I knew what all of those meant. I knew how to reload it, and what to do to release the slide from its locked-back position. It was like... a dragon. We've all seen dragons on TV and read about them in books. We can describe a dragon in detail. We can talk about their behaviour, their capabilities, and their nature. Most of us can name specific dragons. But they're a thing of myth, not something real. Until some guy brings a dragon to work and you realise that they aren't just figments of our imagination. Somewhere out there, there's a country where every second person has a dragon like we have dogs here. There must be a lot of fires there instead of just... barking.
- makeitdouble 4y agoTo add to the rarity of gun violence, there is sismic risk and people try to ubderstand what's the current danger before reacting. For instance if the smoke came from something bursting because of a starting earthquake, avoiding the surrounding building and regrouping in a clear zone would be the right course of action.
- kumarvvr 4y agoThey are not conditioned with decades of random gun violence.
- leke 4y agoIt's like they don't even know the concept of gun violence.
- ejanus 4y agoNo security chaps there? Are they incompetent? I admired Abe... Goodnight!
- swarnie 4y agoDifferent culture maybe? Shootings are pretty rare in the developed world.
- ejanus 4y agoAs in US?
- escapecharacter 4y agothe US doesn't count
- thret 4y agoNo, the developed world.
- hans1729 4y agoThe US manages to be the reigning empire and a failed state at the same time. Internationally, it's the empire, internally, it's failed beyond repair.
- noslenwerdna 4y agoHyperbole much?
- piva00 4y agoMight sound like hyperbole but it isn't entirely untrue depending on what you believe should be the State role in supporting its society. The US is just really weird when looking through the lens of other Western developed countries... And I say that coming from a society that's completely influenced by the American Way Of Life™ (Brazil), visiting the US multiple times and then moving to Sweden has really opened my eyes on how damn bizarre the US can be. It's more similar to Brazilian society (conservatism, sexism, violence, car-centric, so on and so forth) than to any other peer country to the US.
- ZephyrBlu 4y agoWas that a shotgun? Seems like a lot of smoke for a gun.
- isoprophlex 4y agoReports online mention a home made gun...
- unpopularopp 4y agoIt was a home made DIY shotgun which looks like to had electric ignition too https://nitter.cz/pic/media%2FFXH24fkWYAAZTTm.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig https://nitter.cz/pic/media%2FFXH24fkWYAAZTTm.jpg%3Fname%3Do... https://nitter.cz/pic/media%2FFXH24y9XoAITMIM.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig https://nitter.cz/pic/media%2FFXH24y9XoAITMIM.jpg%3Fname%3Do... https://nitter.cz/pic/media%2FFXH25G7WYAI8o2D.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig https://nitter.cz/pic/media%2FFXH25G7WYAI8o2D.jpg%3Fname%3Do...
- elliekelly 4y agoInteresting that in the last photo the man (Abe’s security guard?) apprehending the gunman is clearly armed but hasn’t drawn his weapon.
- throw0101a 4y agoIn most other countries, training encourages the use of lethal force as a last resort. In Germany (pop. 84M), in 2015, a total of 101 rounds were discharged by police for the entire year: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country#... How the UK police dealt with a machete-wielding individual: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY
- ronnier 4y agoI haven’t looked at any data but I imagine Japanese and German police don’t get attacked and killed and shot at the rates seen America. A lot of American police officers die each year so that probably plays into the officers using more force
- bamboozled 4y agoIts reported both shots hit him, probably did but was in shock.
- anonu 4y agoSad story. I understand gun laws are pretty strict in Japan. From this shot it looks like the murderer used a 1700s era musket.