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So they steal different certificate from the same subject instead? (Both CAs are Microsoft's, and only Microsoft is signing). The default for years was to boot

So they steal different certificate from the same subject instead? (Both CAs are Microsoft's, and only Microsoft is signing). The default for years was to boot from external storage, when the internal is not bootable. To change it, you would have to change boot priorities or manually use the built-in boot selector.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> The default for years was to boot from external storage, when the internal is not bootable Not on my computers for the past 20 years. If the default is not bootable a “no bootable device found” message appears. computers should never automatically boot from external storage, unless the user wants to.
- vetinari 4y ago
  For devices that I've bought in the last ~10 years (i.e. coming with UEFI, between Thinkpad T430s in 2012 and NUC11 few weeks ago), the default was: - try to boot the internal devices - then try external (some even distinguish optical and key fobs) - then try PXE and only when all of these fail, message the user "no bootable device found".
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    I remember some desktop computers did, but it was when external boot devices where CD-ROM And even then this message appeared Press any key to boot from CD... https://i.imgur.com/VyZOuob.png https://i.imgur.com/VyZOuob.png
    - vetinari 4y ago
      It is legacy boot, not UEFI. And I vaguely remember that this message came from the boot loader on the CD, of all places. It was a convenience for the user, who forgot the CD in the drive.
      - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > It was a convenience for the user, who forgot the CD in the drive. because computers should never automatically boot from external or removable storage that's why a more modern version of the same message exists https://i.imgur.com/JVW8c7b.png https://i.imgur.com/JVW8c7b.png
        vetinari 4y ago
        This is what I'm getting: https://imgur.com/a/C7NNXCr https://imgur.com/a/C7NNXCr It won't boot from USB if the internal drive boots, or unless I manually change boot order.
    - ciupicri 4y ago
      That's a message from the Windows installer. Normally you would have to remove the optical disc after the files are copied or change the boot order/devices when the first stage of the installation ends and the computer is rebooted. With this trick, you don't have to do anything.
- Lukineus 4y ago
  A former work computer of mine (a Lenovo, too!) wouldn't boot one day. After some time trying to figure out the issue I discovered I'd left a (non-bootable) USB drive attached to the machine. Removed the drive and it booted fine. Having said all that, this comment is all anecdotal, much like yours.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> The default for years was to boot from external storage, when the internal is not bootable Not on my computers for the past 20 years. If the default is not bootable a “no bootable device found” message appears. computers should never automatically boot from external storage, unless the user wants to.

vetinari 4y ago
For devices that I've bought in the last ~10 years (i.e. coming with UEFI, between Thinkpad T430s in 2012 and NUC11 few weeks ago), the default was: - try to boot the internal devices - then try external (some even distinguish optical and key fobs) - then try PXE and only when all of these fail, message the user "no bootable device found".
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  I remember some desktop computers did, but it was when external boot devices where CD-ROM And even then this message appeared Press any key to boot from CD... https://i.imgur.com/VyZOuob.png https://i.imgur.com/VyZOuob.png
  - vetinari 4y ago
    It is legacy boot, not UEFI. And I vaguely remember that this message came from the boot loader on the CD, of all places. It was a convenience for the user, who forgot the CD in the drive.
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      > It was a convenience for the user, who forgot the CD in the drive. because computers should never automatically boot from external or removable storage that's why a more modern version of the same message exists https://i.imgur.com/JVW8c7b.png https://i.imgur.com/JVW8c7b.png
      - vetinari 4y ago
        This is what I'm getting: https://imgur.com/a/C7NNXCr https://imgur.com/a/C7NNXCr It won't boot from USB if the internal drive boots, or unless I manually change boot order.
  - ciupicri 4y ago
    That's a message from the Windows installer. Normally you would have to remove the optical disc after the files are copied or change the boot order/devices when the first stage of the installation ends and the computer is rebooted. With this trick, you don't have to do anything.
Lukineus 4y ago
A former work computer of mine (a Lenovo, too!) wouldn't boot one day. After some time trying to figure out the issue I discovered I'd left a (non-bootable) USB drive attached to the machine. Removed the drive and it booted fine. Having said all that, this comment is all anecdotal, much like yours.