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Well, then let's just buy the good 'ol thinkpads and let lenovo go to hell. If they're good they reconsider that decision otherwise have to face the consequenc

Well, then let's just buy the good 'ol thinkpads and let lenovo go to hell. If they're good they reconsider that decision otherwise have to face the consequences.

bayindirh 4y ago
Unfortunately Linux folks is a way too small market to influence these big corporations. We have to find better ways than "vote with your wallet", because our wallet is not even a blip.
- danuker 4y ago
  Lenovo's profit margin (net income / revenue) is about 3%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo Here it says 2.43% of desktop (non-mobile/tablet) OSes are Linux. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide This makes a dent. You sponsor a company that SUPPORTS dual-booting instead of one that doesn't. That has double the effect of the price of your laptop: one company loses a sale, the other gains one.
- Majestic121 4y ago
  While it is true for the general market, I think for Lenovo specifically the proportion of user buying at least Thinkpads because they're known good dev machines would push for a much higher proportion of Linux users. Completely out of my hat but I would not be surprised if a good 20%/30% of Thinkpad users are Linux users. Hard to confirm/infirm though.
mindcrime 4y ago
There are very highly placed people at Lenovo (possibly as high as the CEO, but if not, only one or two notches down the org chart) who hate the amount of leverage Microsoft has over them due to the windows hegemony. And those people would love nothing more than to establish Linux as a replacement for Windows and kick MS in the teeth. But. Lenovo are between a rock and a hard place. Because today, whether they like it or not, Microsoft does have that leverage. And if Lenovo come out too forcefully in support of Linux (desktop Linux in particular), they risk having Microsoft screw them over. So as much as they might like to start shipping every laptop with Linux pre-installed tomorrow, they really can't. So they have to be selective and strategic about how much they push in that direction. Source: was a Lenovo employee for a while up through 2019. Little was said about this internally through official channels, but it was all well known. I won't say any more or go into any more detail to avoid the risk of violating some NDA or something that might technically still be in effect or whatever.
- pmoriarty 4y ago
  > they risk having Microsoft screw them over How?
- vetinari 4y ago
  They could start by not making Linux more difficult to use. Then we would not have articles like this.
- nvarsj 4y ago
  I'm imagining it's a similar situation with Intel too, which explains why 90% of their models have Intel mobile processors, despite being outperformed by AMD.

Well, then let's just buy the good 'ol thinkpads and let lenovo go to hell. If they're good they reconsider that decision otherwise have to face the consequences.

bayindirh 4y ago

Unfortunately Linux folks is a way too small market to influence these big corporations. We have to find better ways than "vote with your wallet", because our wallet is not even a blip.

danuker 4y ago
Lenovo's profit margin (net income / revenue) is about 3%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo Here it says 2.43% of desktop (non-mobile/tablet) OSes are Linux. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide This makes a dent. You sponsor a company that SUPPORTS dual-booting instead of one that doesn't. That has double the effect of the price of your laptop: one company loses a sale, the other gains one.
Majestic121 4y ago
While it is true for the general market, I think for Lenovo specifically the proportion of user buying at least Thinkpads because they're known good dev machines would push for a much higher proportion of Linux users. Completely out of my hat but I would not be surprised if a good 20%/30% of Thinkpad users are Linux users. Hard to confirm/infirm though.

mindcrime 4y ago

There are very highly placed people at Lenovo (possibly as high as the CEO, but if not, only one or two notches down the org chart) who hate the amount of leverage Microsoft has over them due to the windows hegemony. And those people would love nothing more than to establish Linux as a replacement for Windows and kick MS in the teeth. But. Lenovo are between a rock and a hard place. Because today, whether they like it or not, Microsoft does have that leverage. And if Lenovo come out too forcefully in support of Linux (desktop Linux in particular), they risk having Microsoft screw them over. So as much as they might like to start shipping every laptop with Linux pre-installed tomorrow, they really can't. So they have to be selective and strategic about how much they push in that direction. Source: was a Lenovo employee for a while up through 2019. Little was said about this internally through official channels, but it was all well known. I won't say any more or go into any more detail to avoid the risk of violating some NDA or something that might technically still be in effect or whatever.

pmoriarty 4y ago
> they risk having Microsoft screw them over How?
vetinari 4y ago
They could start by not making Linux more difficult to use. Then we would not have articles like this.
nvarsj 4y ago
I'm imagining it's a similar situation with Intel too, which explains why 90% of their models have Intel mobile processors, despite being outperformed by AMD.