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These snipes don’t matter when it comes to war. Conservatives and mainstream dems are in full support of wasting billions of dollars to blow stuff up in other c

by cudgy 4y ago

These snipes don’t matter when it comes to war. Conservatives and mainstream dems are in full support of wasting billions of dollars to blow stuff up in other countries. What they say may be slightly different, but the end goal is full support of the imperialist stance and the gleeful military complex.

astrange 4y ago
"Anti-imperialism" is like half leftover Soviet Union propaganda, which is why "anti-imperialists" are opposed to defending against Russian invasions, because they think Russia is actually the USSR in disguise.
- dontlaugh 4y ago
  Maybe a few weirdos. Most of us anti-imperialists condemn both Russia for invading and NATO for the constant threats, proxy warfare and helping Ukrainian fascists coup the government in 2014. When two imperialist forces fight, the working classes of either should refuse to fight each other.
  - astrange 4y ago
    The working class of Russia has been busy genociding entire Ukrainian villages and looting their washing machines to take home to their wives. Remember, they don't have class consciousness, because they're not secretly communists.
    - dontlaugh 4y ago
      And yet plenty of Russians do refuse to fight, just like plenty of Ukrainians. There are trade unionists and communists in both countries, but without state power in either. The latter can change.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  Who in particular are you referring to?
simonh 4y ago
Helping a country defend itself from a flat out invasion and land grab is Imperialism?
- nkingsy 4y ago
  Debatable. The 2014 coup was about as on brand for US imperialism as you can get. Victoria Nuland dictating exactly who would be in and out of the next govt in a leaked state dept recording: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
  - Sporktacular 4y ago
    Who they would support. But yeah, it stinks anyway.
  - simonh 4y ago
    The 2014 uprising was a popular movement. Come on. Don’t feed me the Kremlin propaganda that all those thousands of Ukrainians getting beaten and arrested by government goons were paid US stooges. It’s possible for the US to support a movement and for it to also be a genuine popular indigenous movement. She didn’t dictate anything, we was advising and negotiating. That’s what diplomats do. It’s literally their job. Did they have a lot of influence? Sure. Did the Russians have a lot of influence with the previous lot? Absolutely. At the end of the day though the Americans think the Ukrainian people should have a say, and the Russians don’t. The reason the Russians took over Crimea wasn’t because of anything the US did, it’s because of what the Ukrainian people chose to do.

by cudgy 4y ago

astrange 4y ago

"Anti-imperialism" is like half leftover Soviet Union propaganda, which is why "anti-imperialists" are opposed to defending against Russian invasions, because they think Russia is actually the USSR in disguise.

dontlaugh 4y ago
Maybe a few weirdos. Most of us anti-imperialists condemn both Russia for invading and NATO for the constant threats, proxy warfare and helping Ukrainian fascists coup the government in 2014. When two imperialist forces fight, the working classes of either should refuse to fight each other.
- astrange 4y ago
  The working class of Russia has been busy genociding entire Ukrainian villages and looting their washing machines to take home to their wives. Remember, they don't have class consciousness, because they're not secretly communists.
  - dontlaugh 4y ago
    And yet plenty of Russians do refuse to fight, just like plenty of Ukrainians. There are trade unionists and communists in both countries, but without state power in either. The latter can change.
wolverine876 4y ago
Who in particular are you referring to?

simonh 4y ago

Helping a country defend itself from a flat out invasion and land grab is Imperialism?

nkingsy 4y ago
Debatable. The 2014 coup was about as on brand for US imperialism as you can get. Victoria Nuland dictating exactly who would be in and out of the next govt in a leaked state dept recording: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
- Sporktacular 4y ago
  Who they would support. But yeah, it stinks anyway.
- simonh 4y ago
  The 2014 uprising was a popular movement. Come on. Don’t feed me the Kremlin propaganda that all those thousands of Ukrainians getting beaten and arrested by government goons were paid US stooges. It’s possible for the US to support a movement and for it to also be a genuine popular indigenous movement. She didn’t dictate anything, we was advising and negotiating. That’s what diplomats do. It’s literally their job. Did they have a lot of influence? Sure. Did the Russians have a lot of influence with the previous lot? Absolutely. At the end of the day though the Americans think the Ukrainian people should have a say, and the Russians don’t. The reason the Russians took over Crimea wasn’t because of anything the US did, it’s because of what the Ukrainian people chose to do.