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There are hundreds of millions of americans. These mass shooting events are insignifigant in the grand scheme of things. I don't think we should give away our e

There are hundreds of millions of americans. These mass shooting events are insignifigant in the grand scheme of things. I don't think we should give away our essential freedoms just so we can live in a "safe" country like... China and India?

lifeformed 4y ago
Surely there are more palatable examples of countries without guns than China and India.
- cowtools 4y ago
  - tmnvix 4y ago
    Like Australia?
lonesword 4y ago
> our essential freedoms just so we can live in a "safe" country like... China and India? India has zero to no gun violence. Sure, there's a lot of petty crime, and there are enough murders happening - and the last thing we want is to arm those murderers with guns. Your sentence seems to argue that the (much higher) degree of free speech enjoyed by Americans is owing to civilian gun ownership, which I don't think is true (though I don't have the data at hand to back up my claim). >There are hundreds of millions of americans. These mass shooting events are insignifigant in the grand scheme of things It's not just the number of people who get shot - it's this idea that a road rage incident _can_ potentially end in you getting shot, if the other person is deranged enough. Not to mention the amount of American tax dollars that go into ensuring that the police out-gun the civilians.
tmnvix 4y ago
There are something like 130m people in Japan and yet firearm homicides appear to be at least a couple of orders of magnitude less frequent: "A 2022 report from the University of Washington revealing that, while the US had more than four firearm homicides per 100,000 people in 2019, Japan had almost zero. Comparing high-income countries in the World Bank with the rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 people, the US had 4.2, Australia had 0.18 and Japan 0.02, the report found." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/abe-shooting-why-gun-violence-is-so-rare-in-zero-tolerance-japan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/abe-shooting-w... In my opinion, of all the things that count towards a society being considered more civilised than another, not shooting each other is right up there.

lifeformed 4y ago

Surely there are more palatable examples of countries without guns than China and India.

cowtools 4y ago
- tmnvix 4y ago
  Like Australia?

lonesword 4y ago

> our essential freedoms just so we can live in a "safe" country like... China and India? India has zero to no gun violence. Sure, there's a lot of petty crime, and there are enough murders happening - and the last thing we want is to arm those murderers with guns. Your sentence seems to argue that the (much higher) degree of free speech enjoyed by Americans is owing to civilian gun ownership, which I don't think is true (though I don't have the data at hand to back up my claim). >There are hundreds of millions of americans. These mass shooting events are insignifigant in the grand scheme of things It's not just the number of people who get shot - it's this idea that a road rage incident _can_ potentially end in you getting shot, if the other person is deranged enough. Not to mention the amount of American tax dollars that go into ensuring that the police out-gun the civilians.

tmnvix 4y ago

There are something like 130m people in Japan and yet firearm homicides appear to be at least a couple of orders of magnitude less frequent: "A 2022 report from the University of Washington revealing that, while the US had more than four firearm homicides per 100,000 people in 2019, Japan had almost zero. Comparing high-income countries in the World Bank with the rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 people, the US had 4.2, Australia had 0.18 and Japan 0.02, the report found." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/abe-shooting-why-gun-violence-is-so-rare-in-zero-tolerance-japan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/abe-shooting-w... In my opinion, of all the things that count towards a society being considered more civilised than another, not shooting each other is right up there.