I think... it's better to have no product managers than to have ineffectual product managers. And to be effective, you really need 4+ product managers comprisin

I think... it's better to have no product managers than to have ineffectual product managers. And to be effective, you really need 4+ product managers comprising a team. You want them to be able to stand up to both engineering and management. You want them to be a force within the company. Otherwise, you end up with powerless product managers who just get paid to do nothing. Some companies have 4+ product managers, but they embed them in different teams, and forbid them from working together. Seems like a huge mistake to me.