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I have a standard, regularly updated Ubuntu 22.04. I do appreciate your response but ironically you're also demonstrating exactly the point I was trying to mak

I have a standard, regularly updated Ubuntu 22.04. I do appreciate your response but ironically you're also demonstrating exactly the point I was trying to make. As long as I have to worry about installing x-y-z-beta (but make sure it's the one from two weeks ago because last week's had a regression) to make essential basic functionality work we aren't really talking about a serious offering for normal users. In reality like almost every other Ubuntu user I've talked to in real life about this I just switch back to X if I need to screen share. And if that stops working I'll switch from Ubuntu to something that does. Like building my own PC with micro-optimised component choices, tweaking Linux system software was interesting for a while and sometimes got great results, but life's too short to keep doing that forever. Now I just want something that does its job.

binarysneaker 4y ago
Change takes time. There's always Windows... /s
- Silhouette 4y ago
  Change takes time. Of course it does. My argument is that for many users Wayland's time has not yet come. The kind of very noticeable issues some of us have mentioned in this discussion need to be fixed so things work normally as standard before that will really happen.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    The thing is that with bazaar-style development there is no other way to solve it. Wayland either lingers in the background indefinitely, or it gets “pushed” in a good-enough state, “forcing” misbehaving apps to fix themselves. OSX and Windows can just say “we are using W from version V” and you loose business if you don’t update. There is only popularity as a incentive on a FOSS platform.
encryptluks2 4y ago
The fix is installing the appropriate app or participating in your distro to get it automatically fixed. If you can't be bothered to do anything but rage quit when you don't get your way you'd be better off on Mac.
- Silhouette 4y ago
  If you can't be bothered to do anything but rage quit when you don't get your way you'd be better off on Mac. The problem with this argument is that it's almost certainly true. If you are a fan of Linux and hoping for it to gain market share and by extension grow the ecosystem for everyone that is not good news.
cowtools 4y ago
>In reality like almost every other Ubuntu user I've talked to in real life [...] It doesn't matter if "most linux users" contribute or not. Only a minority report bugs, and an even smaller minority fix bugs. There is an old saying that if you want something done right... well, let's not be cynical. Let's just be grateful that we have the opportunity to do things right!

binarysneaker 4y ago

Change takes time. There's always Windows... /s

Silhouette 4y ago
Change takes time. Of course it does. My argument is that for many users Wayland's time has not yet come. The kind of very noticeable issues some of us have mentioned in this discussion need to be fixed so things work normally as standard before that will really happen.
- kaba0 4y ago
  The thing is that with bazaar-style development there is no other way to solve it. Wayland either lingers in the background indefinitely, or it gets “pushed” in a good-enough state, “forcing” misbehaving apps to fix themselves. OSX and Windows can just say “we are using W from version V” and you loose business if you don’t update. There is only popularity as a incentive on a FOSS platform.

encryptluks2 4y ago

The fix is installing the appropriate app or participating in your distro to get it automatically fixed. If you can't be bothered to do anything but rage quit when you don't get your way you'd be better off on Mac.

Silhouette 4y ago
If you can't be bothered to do anything but rage quit when you don't get your way you'd be better off on Mac. The problem with this argument is that it's almost certainly true. If you are a fan of Linux and hoping for it to gain market share and by extension grow the ecosystem for everyone that is not good news.

cowtools 4y ago

>In reality like almost every other Ubuntu user I've talked to in real life [...] It doesn't matter if "most linux users" contribute or not. Only a minority report bugs, and an even smaller minority fix bugs. There is an old saying that if you want something done right... well, let's not be cynical. Let's just be grateful that we have the opportunity to do things right!